Questions about GPA Requirements and PNMs

[Titchou]

you release your minimum required GPA? Wow! Am amazed at all the private information put out there. I would never let a chapter do that.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by Titchou

you release your minimum required GPA? Wow! Am amazed at all the private information put out there. I would never let a chapter do that.

The national minimum, yes. An individual chapter's minimum, no.

[SororityGirlBO]

Sorry I should have clarified. What I meant was the required gpa for membership into the NPC GLOs. Looking around, I've seen schools that put them right in the recruitment handbook they release every year, I kid you not. We used to do it as well. I never even realized that it's considered private info on some campuses. Even Bama Panhel's releasing this info this yr. (According to their website.) If a pnm has limited options b/c of grades, I would just think she would be able to know, so that maybe she could be able to decide whether or not she should go through recruitment at the time or wait, to be matched with the organization that was truly best for her. I've been reading around and it seems that, depending on the school, exceptions for gpa are rare, but at some universities it happens all the time. Thoughts?

[carnation]

Originally Posted by SororityGirlBO

I would just think she would be able to know, so that maybe she could be able to decide whether or not she should go through recruitment at the time or wait, to be matched with the organization that was truly best for her.

Wait to be matched with the organization that was truly "best" for her? Not in this universe. At a competitive school, you usually have to take what you're handed whether you like it or not. We do not have a genius Sorting Hat.

[SororityGirlBO]

To carnation: The school being discussed (my university) is a smaller school with a much less competitive recruitment process. Because the greek community is smaller, we really do put a lot of thought into those sorts of things, b/c there's more room to. That's what a GLO is all about, to me, being in an organization where you at least have something in common with your sisters. But hey, that's just my personal opinion. Obviously things can't be perfect, so there's no need for the sarcasm, I was just curious to see how things were at other schools. I like what Bama's doing though, girls do deserve to know if they have a real shot with the organizations, since the gpa required to participate in recruitment can be much lower than a GLO's requirement.

[carnation]

Originally Posted by SororityGirlBO

. Obviously things can't be perfect, so there's no need for the sarcasm

That wasn't sarcasm. It was the unvarnished truth and I said it because so many PNMs go into recruitment thinking that they will do the choosing and at many schools, that's not so. You choose from what you're left with.

[SororityGirlBO]

Originally Posted by carnation

That wasn't sarcasm. It was the unvarnished truth and I said it because so many PNMs go into recruitment thinking that they will do the choosing and at many schools, that's not so. You choose from what you're left with.

Sorry for the misunderstanding! Since all the glo's have something great to offer, I guess there's nothing wrong with having to choose from slightly more limited options.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by carnation

That wasn't sarcasm. It was the unvarnished truth and I said it because so many PNMs go into recruitment thinking that they will do the choosing and at many schools, that's not so. You choose from what you're left with.

This is the truth.org.

The "party line" is that selection is mutual. It's less mutual than it's portrayed. The balance of selection tips in the favor of the chapters.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

This is the truth.org.

[Old_Row]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

This is the truth.org.

The "party line" is that selection is mutual. It's less mutual than it's portrayed. The balance of selection tips in the favor of the chapters.

That's the truth and I don't know why so many people here get bent out of shape when it gets said.

Mutual selection only really exists for the top PNMs and the top recruiting chapters.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by carnation

Wait to be matched with the organization that was truly "best" for her? Not in this universe. At a competitive school, you usually have to take what you're handed whether you like it or not. We do not have a genius Sorting Hat.

carnation, I spit coffee all over my screen, I laughed so hard the dogs barked!!!

ETA: at Arizona, where +/- 1200 PNMs have gone through the past two-three years, the University Panhellenic publishes a minimum GPA for participating and strongly urges women with less than that GPA not to register. They even refund the application $ for PNMs who insist on registering but then think twice prior to the start of recruitment.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

carnation, I spit coffee all over my screen, I laughed so hard the dogs barked!!!

ETA: at Arizona, where +/- 1200 PNMs have gone through the past two-three years, the University Panhellenic publishes a minimum GPA for participating and strongly urges women with less than that GPA not to register. They even refund the application $ for PNMs who insist on registering but then think twice prior to the start of recruitment.

THat's fine. As long as the school is up front about chances with low GPA's. They just should not be in the business of deciding who meets ANY qualification for membership.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by Titchou

THat's fine. As long as the school is up front about chances with low GPA's. They just should not be in the business of deciding who meets ANY qualification for membership.

They are up front, and as far as I can see, they don't make decisions regarding membership qualifications. Did not mean to give that impression.

Here's a link to The Bond, which is provided to all PNMs and is available on line. On Page One, lower right hand corner, you'll find information about GPA requirements. If a PNM with a GPA < 2.8 decides to go ahead and go through recruitment, that's her choice. But she's informed at the outset that there is a minimum GPA for all chapters.

http://arizonagreek.orgsync.com/org/pan/registration

[AXOrushadvisor]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

They are up front, and as far as I can see, they don't make decisions regarding membership qualifications. Did not mean to give that impression.

Here's a link to The Bond, which is provided to all PNMs and is available on line. On Page One, lower right hand corner, you'll find information about GPA requirements. If a PNM with a GPA < 2.8 decides to go ahead and go through recruitment, that's her choice. But she's informed at the outset that there is a minimum GPA for all chapters.

http://arizonagreek.orgsync.com/org/pan/registration

You have such a good and informative web site. On the academic page http://arizonagreek.orgsync.com/org/pan/racademics All 11 Chapters require a 3.0 from HS. I think that is smart to include that information. That way if a PNM goes through with a 2.8 from HS she knows she got released for grades and not some other reason.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AUAZD2001

A little off topic, but there are some people who go through sorority recruitment to meet people on campus and not necessarily to join a chapter (although I will admit they are probably a SMALL minority). If the campus Panhellenic set a minimum GPA they might shut out women who just wanted a chance to meet others on campus.

That is true, I've seen it many times at my eensy school with no rush fee, but I don't think it happens often at SEC schools and other places where the fees are high.

Originally Posted by 33girl

This is not setting a minimum to JOIN, this is setting a minimum to PARTICIPATE IN FORMAL RUSH.

I could care less if a GLO wants to set their GPA at (random number) 3.9. However, if all of them do that, and Panhellenic lets someone with a 2.7 sign up and pay the $100 fee, KNOWING she will be cut by all the sororities, I consider that irresponsible. This isn't about membership requirements and lofty things like that, it's about something a little more practical - not allowing a young woman and/or her parents to throw money down the toilet. If that's too gauche for NPC to even talk about, whatEVER.