Medical School

[AOII Angel]

Honestly, sitting in class and being lectured to does not a good doctor make. There are so many facets to a good doctor, and a PhD, not being a doctor, wouldn't know what it would take to be a good doctor. I would trust them to tell me whether or not the student mastered the subject matter. When I stated that some PhDs are jealous, I did say SOME...and I stand by that statement. Yes. It takes a long time to get a PhD, but is frequently easier to get into a program and much less lucrative which leads to sour grapes for SOME. In all professions you will have the good and the bad, but you can't chalk it up to attendance at school lectures. My husband is probably one of the best pediatric endocrinologists you'll find. He's gifted...probably because he was a child prodigy, but I digress. He skipped nearly the half a semester of second year after his parents split up and decided not to drop out of school at the last minute. I also know plenty of physicians that never missed a class but can't put the didactics and clinical aspects together. Medicine is as much an art as it is a science. The challenge is to take the knowledge gained the first two years and being able to apply it in clinical practice. It's very common to see the class rank reverse in the second two years of school. What you think you know about medical school and doctors could fill a thimble. Very few doctors go out and practice without completing residencies...nowadays, few will practice without doing fellowships. Yes, an intern can call himself Doctor, but after going to school for 8 years post high school, I think he deserves it! (Dr.Phil I use he in the neutral sense.)

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Yes. It takes a long time to get a PhD, but is frequently easier to get into a program....

LOL. Why did you let Titchou turn this into a Ph.D. versus M.D. discussion. Even if it was "frequently easier" to get into a program across disciplines, the true test is completing the program. Hundreds (thousands?) of people get into doctoral programs around the world each year, however they got there, and only a percentage of them will ever complete the doctoral programs.

It is just like what you all are telling Titchou about medical school.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

...and much less lucrative which leads to sour grapes for SOME.

I can see that. Until they realize that there are many sleep deprived medical doctors who are miserable having to bust their behinds for every bit of that lucrativeness.

Within disciplines and across disciplines, a Ph.D. has a range of salaries depending on what people want to do with it. People who care about making a ton of money will choose their doctoral training and career accordingly. Since this is a Ph.D. versus M.D. discussion.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I think he/she deserves it! (Dr.Phil I use he in the neutral sense.)

No such thing as gender neutral.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

LOL. Why did you let Titchou turn this into a Ph.D. versus M.D. discussion. Even if it was "frequently easier" to get into a program across disciplines, the true test is completing the program. Hundreds (thousands?) of people get into doctoral programs around the world each year, however they got there, and only a percentage of them will ever complete the doctoral programs.

It is just like what you all are telling Titchou about medical school.



I can see that. Until they realize that there are many sleep deprived medical doctors who are miserable having to bust their behinds for every bit of that lucrativeness.

Within disciplines and across disciplines, a Ph.D. has a range of salaries depending on what people want to do with it. People who care about making a ton of money will choose their doctoral training and career accordingly. Since this is a Ph.D. versus M.D. discussion.



No such thing as gender neutral.

I knew that would bother you.

I totally agree with you, but I'm talking about the true attitudes of SOME PhD professors at medical schools. They make much less than their charges will some day. The vast majority are dedicated professionals who love teaching the next generation of physicians, but I do know ones who resent physicians for their very existence. Titchou's "husband" sounds like one of those. It's not a MD vs PhD thing except in the mind of the those people who can't accept that there is a place for all of us in this world.