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Old 05-29-2012, 07:51 PM
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How is the Duke Lacrosse case and this one similar?
Read those threads.

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I saw him with his attorney on CNN a couple days ago. He also had a college football scholarship that was lost...I think to USC. Yet, he was forgiving. He said he still hoped to try out for the NFL.
I seriously doubt that he will have a career in the NFL. Being a free agent who sits on the bench is what I see in his future unless he gets publicity and a second chance from these teams.

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Old 05-29-2012, 08:03 PM
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Read those threads.
I skimmed the Duke Lacrosse thread and saw all the chaos and racial posturing that was going on. In the Duke Lacrosse thread there was confusion concerning who to believe based on the young lady's profession and the race of the individuals being accused. The Martin case thread would be more similar to the Duke Lacrosse thread then the Brian thread situation. Both the martin case and the Duke Lacrosse situation were charged because many individuals were taking sides based on information as well as race. Also there is corelation on how the police in both areas approached both situations with delayed response. In the Brian case both the "victim" and the accused rapist are of the same race. He was tried, wrongly convicted, served time then later the "victim" admits to lying to Brian and his private investigator. Now the ruling is in the process of being overturned. Again how is the Duke Lacrosse case and Brian similar beside both being aquainted to rape?

Also to the GCers' do you feel that the 200k he is seeking from California for wrongly being imprisoned enough and what about the young lady, should there be any type of punishment she should recieve for what she did? Or has life already done that for her?
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:07 PM
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Again how is the Duke Lacrosse case and Brian similar beside both being aquainted to rape?
What was the outcome of the Duke Lacrosse allegations?
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:23 PM
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What was the outcome of the Duke Lacrosse allegations?
They were proven to be false. However those that were accused did not serve a prison sentence. Also the accuser was african american and the defendants were caucasion.. In the Brian's case they are both african american? Again this situation is still very different then the Duke lacrosse one. They did not serve any time. Brian did.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:42 PM
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Nobody said they were exactly the same. They are similar for a number of reasons including:

1. Athletics
2. Allegations that were determined to be false
3. Race and ethnicity (there is still a race component with both Wanetta and Brian being Black--there is a notion that people are more willing to consider Black-Black victimization and allegations than Black-white)
4. Whether to prosecute the accuser (Wanetta may not be prosecuted)
5. How this will shape people's opinions of rape accusations
6. How this can shape the future of the accused (the Duke Lacrosse players still had their lives impacted by this)
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:56 PM
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Nobody said they were exactly the same. They are similar for a number of reasons including:

1. Athletics
I can agree
2. Allegations that were determined to be false
Already stated
3. Race and ethnicity (there is still a race component with both Wanetta and Brian being Black--there is a notion that people are more willing to consider Black-Black victimization and allegations than Black-white)
It still will not cause friction in the forum being a racial charged issue like stated before.
4. Whether to prosecute the accuser (Wanetta may not be prosecuted)
5. How this will shape people's opinions of rape accusations
not according to what you posted... DrPhil saysNo, she did not. She is not the first or the last person to lie about something and that includes lying about being raped.
6. How this can shape the future of the accused (the Duke Lacrosse players still had their lives impacted by this)
Only on the individuals psyche, yet it did not include a felony or imprisonment.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:26 PM
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not according to what you posted..
I know what I said. The Duke Lacrosse incident prompted people to say exactly what you said about the impact of this case. There were people who wanted to use the Duke Lacross incident as yet another excuse to give alleged rape victims a difficult time. And people who were bothered by the implications of that responded just as I did. It is deja vu.

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It still will not cause friction in the forum being a racial charged issue like stated before.
It could cause another GC Race War if the right things are said and GCers have time on their hands. I wish.

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Only on the individuals psyche, yet it did not include a felony or imprisonment.
All PiKA2001 did was remind us of the similar topics that have been discussed on GC before.

This incident had what some would consider a big impact on the players' lives and it was not limited to their individual psyche. Their lives were impacted. However, even if it was an impact on the psyche rather than an impact on opportunities and overall life outcomes, the negative impact on an individual's psyche cannot be measured and ranked in importance (besides the civil suits that were filed). I am sure the impact on Brian's life also cannot be measured.

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Old 05-29-2012, 09:01 PM
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I forgot what it's called when a state can't be sued, or can't be sued beyond a set amount.
Sovereign immunity.
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Old 05-29-2012, 11:26 PM
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Sovereign immunity.
Thank you!
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:11 PM
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Also to the GCers' do you feel that the 200k he is seeking from California for wrongly being imprisoned enough....?
I don't know the details, but that may be all he's allowed to pursue. I forgot what it's called when a state can't be sued, or can't be sued beyond a set amount.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:20 PM
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I don't know the details, but that may be all he's allowed to pursue. I forgot what it's called when a state can't be sued, or can't be sued beyond a set amount.
I read that due to California law, a person wrongfully convicted can sue for $100 a day he or she was forced to serve in prison..
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