Joining another sorority after 2 years

[BadCat25]

With transferring increasingly common and many local chapters refusing to allow same sorority transfer students to affiliate this rule is way past its sell date. I support it in the same college case but not where the tranfer is to another university and the local chapter refuses to allow affiliation. I can't see who is harmed other than the transfer student who is cut out of greek life at their new school entirely. Just because it is a rule doesn't make it right.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

With transferring increasingly common and many local chapters refusing to allow same sorority transfer students to affiliate this rule is way past its sell date. I support it in the same college case but not where the tranfer is to another university and the local chapter refuses to allow affiliation. I can't see who is harmed other than the transfer student who is cut out of greek life at their new school entirely. Just because it is a rule doesn't make it right.

I can understand your logic, but doesn't kind of go against the whole lifetime membership thing?

[WhiteRose1912]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

I can understand your logic, but doesn't kind of go against the whole lifetime membership thing?

I can see where you wouldn't feel like your lifetime membership means anything when the chapter of your supposed sisters refuses to allow you to affiliate.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by WhiteRose1912

I can see where you wouldn't feel like your lifetime membership means anything when the chapter of your supposed sisters refuses to allow you to affiliate.

Well I meant more as a concept in Greekdom as a whole, not just for the individual. If the NPC were to allow this, then they are saying that lifetime membership isn't important.

[BadCat25]

This whole situation reminds me of the stories of vindictive college coaches who restrict the ability of college athletes to transfer to other schools. In one case I remember the coach said the athlete couldn't transfer to any school closer than an 8 hr drive from his school. These coaches have received tons of bad press on this issue.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

With transferring increasingly common and many local chapters refusing to allow same sorority transfer students to affiliate this rule is way past its sell date. I support it in the same college case but not where the tranfer is to another university and the local chapter refuses to allow affiliation. I can't see who is harmed other than the transfer student who is cut out of greek life at their new school entirely. Just because it is a rule doesn't make it right.

Um, then isn't the problem the chapters that don't vote for affiliation?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

With transferring increasingly common and many local chapters refusing to allow same sorority transfer students to affiliate this rule is way past its sell date. I support it in the same college case but not where the tranfer is to another university and the local chapter refuses to allow affiliation. I can't see who is harmed other than the transfer student who is cut out of greek life at their new school entirely. Just because it is a rule doesn't make it right.

My understanding is that the local chapters who don't allow automatic affiliation/refuse affilates are far from "many" - rather, it's the large SEC schools who've gotten burned many many many times by women who purposely pledged a so-so chapter at another school to allow them an easy "in." Just because you're popular, doesn't mean being used for that popularity is a fun thing. Also, the women who do this obviously know or care nothing about sisterhood. They just want social prestige.

If a woman transfers to a new college, in a normal scenario, she should be given every opportunity to affiliate with the new chapter - as I think the majority are - but sometimes it doesn't work out. That's a fact of life. Sometimes it is the transfer student herself who spurns the new chapter, not the other way around.

I don't condone full initiation into another group, rather, relaxing the RM policies so that "social members" are a viable option.

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

With transferring increasingly common and many local chapters refusing to allow same sorority transfer students to affiliate this rule is way past its sell date. I support it in the same college case but not where the tranfer is to another university and the local chapter refuses to allow affiliation. I can't see who is harmed other than the transfer student who is cut out of greek life at their new school entirely. Just because it is a rule doesn't make it right.

Oh boo hoo for them. Somehow generations of women that came before these special snowflakes survived the tragedy of transferring.

Once you have been initiated, you've witnessed secret rituals that bind the members of that organization. You've taken vows. If you toss it away like it's meaningless, you might as well give up all the NPC unanimous agreements. You cheapen the very foundations of our organizations and the NPC as a whole.

And why limit it to two sororities? What about three? Or four? Or even five? It might take Snowflake many extra years and multiple campuses to graduate. Why should she be penalized for that?

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

With transferring increasingly common and many local chapters refusing to allow same sorority transfer students to affiliate this rule is way past its sell date. I support it in the same college case but not where the tranfer is to another university and the local chapter refuses to allow affiliation. I can't see who is harmed other than the transfer student who is cut out of greek life at their new school entirely. Just because it is a rule doesn't make it right.

I don't see the great harm in leaving these ladies on alumna status. For KD, a transfer student on alumna status has all the rights of an alumna. She can attend chapter and participate in recruitment as an alumna. She can attend any of the events the local alumnae are invited to -- Homecoming, philanthropy events, chapter dinners, etc.

If a transfer isn't accepted for affiliation, it's often because the chapter is at quota or close to it, and they'd like to fill the available spots with freshmen. It doesn't mean that the transfer isn't welcome. If she suits up, shows up, and volunteers to help out, she'll make friends and be included in the chapter's social life.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

With transferring increasingly common and many local chapters refusing to allow same sorority transfer students to affiliate this rule is way past its sell date. I support it in the same college case but not where the tranfer is to another university and the local chapter refuses to allow affiliation. I can't see who is harmed other than the transfer student who is cut out of greek life at their new school entirely. Just because it is a rule doesn't make it right.

Imagine what would happen on highly competitive campuses. Women might go through recruitment, be rejected by every single house, transfer to a regional/smaller/less competitive school, get initiated, then transfer back to the original competitive school to be automatically accepted and count against their quota. This would happen all the time.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by KDCat

I don't see the great harm in leaving these ladies on alumna status. For KD, a transfer student on alumna status has all the rights of an alumna. She can attend chapter and participate in recruitment as an alumna. She can attend any of the events the local alumnae are invited to -- Homecoming, philanthropy events, chapter dinners, etc.

If a transfer isn't accepted for affiliation, it's often because the chapter is at quota or close to it, and they'd like to fill the available spots with freshmen. It doesn't mean that the transfer isn't welcome. If she suits up, shows up, and volunteers to help out, she'll make friends and be included in the chapter's social life.

You can accept transfers even if you are above total.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Imagine what would happen on highly competitive campuses. Women might go through recruitment, be rejected by every single house, transfer to a regional/smaller/less competitive school, get initiated, then transfer back to the original competitive school to be automatically accepted and count against their quota. This would happen all the time.

I highly doubt this would happen that terribly often. Women may transfer to Big State U and try to affiliate all the time, but the number of women who specifically go to Small State U to get into a chapter through a back door is more advertised than reality. In my experience in a state that had a Big State U with the supposed issue, all the same chapters at the Small State Univs were also hard to get into.

Also in my experience, however, meeting at least 5 transfers from Big State U during my tenure in at Small State U, they had no interest in affiliating with their chapters upon transferring. (Who am I kidding, I'm talking about LSU and ULM.)

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I highly doubt this would happen that terribly often. Women may transfer to Big State U and try to affiliate all the time, but the number of women who specifically go to Small State U to get into a chapter through a back door is more advertised than reality. In my experience in a state that had a Big State U with the supposed issue, all the same chapters at the Small State Univs were also hard to get in

Actually, this was very prevalent in the south in the not so distant past. They were actually called "feeder" schools as they "fed" additional members to Big State U. I can name "chapter andverse"on this but won't to protect the innocent. Almost anyone from the deep South can tell you it was common.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Actually, this was very prevalent in the south in the not so distant past. They were actually called "feeder" schools as they "fed" additional members to Big State U. I can name "chapter andverse"on this but won't to protect the innocent. Almost anyone from the deep South can tell you it was common.

I know it happened pretty frequently in the South, probably more frequently in Mississippi and Texas. Times have changed a lot, and for the VAST majority of women transferring from one school to another in this country, it is done for reasons other than to sneak into the back door of the "it" chapter.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I know it happened pretty frequently in the South, probably more frequently in Mississippi and Texas. Times have changed a lot, and for the VAST majority of women transferring from one school to another in this country, it is done for reasons other than to sneak into the back door of the "it" chapter.

I think that, even if women aren't doing transferring FOR THAT REASON, the problem doesn't go away, though. I know several people who didn't get into UT, so went to a branch UT campus and then reapplied sophomore year. None of them went greek, but if they wanted to be greek, they have two choices: try to rush at UT as a sophomore, or rush now and try to affiliate. The latter is a much more sure thing, especially seeing that they may not be able to transfer at all.

[Old_Row]

Calling new members baby whatevers is subtle hazing? It's the PC crap that prohibits members from using terms like pledge that created the environment where women now feel the need to come up with stupid cutesy names.