The Murder of Trayvon Martin

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Having an opinion on Anthony's guilt or innocence pre-arrest and pre- and post- acquittal....

FYP.

Originally Posted by TonyB06

I feel some kind of way about the fact that in some quarters' there is a belief that there's been an "oversaturation" of media coverage of the Martin/Zimmerman case. I don't think there was such talk when the subject was Natalie Holloway, or Casey Anthony, seemingly 24/7?

That was brought up on GC (i.e., GCers hated Nancy Grace) and around the media world. But people who said "innocent until proven guilty," etc. were sometimes called meanies who have no compassion (and apparently the required anger) for a sweet little girl's tragic outcome.

Originally Posted by KSig RC

So there's been no conjecture in this thread? Nobody has relied on "facts" out of context or without checking their veracity?

There definitely has.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

There definitely has.

Up until the post in question, I didn't even think this was up for debate.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Up until the post in question, I didn't even think this was up for debate.

I think one of the concerns that TonyB06 is raising is "why now?" Of course, the answer to that is "we can't change everything but we can change this."

However, it goes back to what I was saying in previous posts. Consistency in "no rush to judgment" and "(public /media/legal treatment of) innocent until proven guilty" gives those more credibility rather than it being perceived as subjective. I do remember, for example, those Casey Anthony threads.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I think one of the concerns that TonyB06 is raising is "why now?" Of course, the answer to that is "we can't change everything but we can change this."

However, it goes back to what I was saying in previous posts. Consistency in "no rush to judgment" and "innocent until proven guilty" gives those more credibility rather than it being subjective. I do remember, for example, those Casey Anthony threads.

Truth, and I actually mostly agree with Tony raising that question. This case is something of a window into race in modern America, and the difference between a white infant (possibly just "infant") and black teenager as victim can't be ignored.

None of those things, though, change the fact that elements of public discourse on this specific case are somewhat out of control, or that the case itself (and the public) could benefit from a dose of rational thought.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

None of those things, though, change the fact that elements of public discourse on this specific case are somewhat out of control, or that the case itself (and the public) could benefit from a dose of rational thought.

Yes, as long as people don't conveniently forget that discourse control and dose of rational thought when it suits them for another incident or case.

Of course, they will so I will be sitting in the Ivory Tower with a glass of wine, looking down on the masses and scoffing at the predictable inconsistencies of life.

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I think one of the concerns that TonyB06 is raising is "why now?" Of course, the answer to that is "we can't change everything but we can change this."

However, it goes back to what I was saying in previous posts. Consistency in "no rush to judgment" and "innocent until proven guilty" gives those more credibility rather than it being subjective. I do remember, for example, those Casey Anthony threads.

Pretty much. Obviouly the facts at issue are different, but in the larger sense this case is no different than many others that have been speculated on and discussed on GC. Most posters have sense enough to weigh information, seek out more if they wish, post/not post if they wish, and arrive at fairly logical conclusions.

Cable outlets of varying political influence have legal "experts" speculating, often contradictorily, on the latest information/developments. But somehow the Republic will apparently crumble and fall if folks weigh in on Greekchat. Who knew?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yes, as long as people don't conveniently forget that discourse control and dose of rational thought when it suits them for another incident or case.

Of course, they will so I will be sitting in the Ivory Tower with a glass of wine, looking down on the masses and scoffing at the predictable inconsistencies of life.

Agree with both of you.


side rant:

Am I the only person who, when a poster basically does nothing but post excerpts of and links to articles, pretty much ignores those posts? I mean, we all link to articles we find interesting or informative from time to time, but c'mon. Don't just be a Google News Alert. -- at least if you think the article is worth reading, tell us why. Offer your own opinion. Engage in discussion.

/side rant

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

side rant:

Am I the only person who, when a poster basically does nothing but post excerpts of and links to articles, pretty much ignores those posts? I mean, we all link to articles we find interesting or informative from time to time, but c'mon. Don't just be a Google News Alert. -- at least if you think the article is worth reading, tell us why. Offer your own opinion. Engage in discussion.

/side rant

I have an RSS feed, I don't need another one (and one that I don't control, at that).

However, others may appreciate the information - I don't think it's particularly granular or well-selected in most cases, though. More of a fire hose.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by TonyB06

But somehow the Republic will apparently crumble and fall if folks weigh in on Greekchat. Who knew?

Jesus.. hyperbolic much?

The Republic will be fine. Whether we continue to have a positive opinion of TonyB06 and others is what's at issue here.

As to MC's & RC's points, agreed. The cut/pastes done by many here are from questionable sources at best. The mainstream media started with a narrative here, i.e., race was definitely a factor, Martin was an innocent kid with some skittles, Zimmerman is a rat bastard, etc. None of that has actually been established. The state's burden is high but not insurmountable. We'll see.

That said, I don't really think there's much more to talk about in this case. The media circus and the portrayal of the narrative have become much bigger than the actual case.

[I2K Beta Mu]

The question I have, and maybe an attorney may know more than I know on this, but shouldn't Zimmerman have gotten charged for 1st degree murder instead of 2nd degree? I thought there was some shady shit with that.

[SOM]

Originally Posted by I2K Beta Mu

The question I have, and maybe an attorney may know more than I know on this, but shouldn't Zimmerman have gotten charged for 1st degree murder instead of 2nd degree? I thought there was some shady shit with that.

Your question has been covered by several reports. I would suggest reading some of stories of the past few days. IIRC Lionel did a segment or two on matter this week.