Santorum claims that "7 or 8" U of California campuses don't teach American history

[PiKA2001]

^^^^ I guess he was right then?

[Mevara]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

^^^^ I guess he was right then?

That was only one UC and I can't speak for the others.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

^^^^ I guess he was right then?

How are American Ethnic History and Native American History not American History?

[Munchkin03]

I'm not sure why a college would offer a general version of American History, since it's a requirement for virtually every college-bound HS student. It's not like Art History where it's the first time a lot of students are being introduced to the field...

[AZTheta]

I went to UCSB. There's a lengthy list of courses that come up when I type in "American History".

See for yourself: http://my.sa.ucsb.edu/Catalog/Curren...chResults.aspx

And IIRC the History department at UCSB is well-respected. But I agree with Mevara - why would UCSB offer a basic, intro to AmHist course that was a requirement in HS?

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Mevara

That was only one UC and I can't speak for the others.

Gotcha.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

How are American Ethnic History and Native American History not American History?

They are but not in the literal sense that he was probably talking about. My school offers History of Michigan and History of Detroit which technically falls under the umbrella of American History yet I'm sure Rick wouldn't think it would be a proper alternative to taking a general American History course.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I'm not sure why a college would offer a general version of American History, since it's a requirement for virtually every college-bound HS student. It's not like Art History where it's the first time a lot of students are being introduced to the field...

My school offered it
http://classschedule.wayne.edu/courses_new.cfm?Subj=HIS

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

They are but not in the literal sense that he was probably talking about. My school offers History of Michigan and History of Detroit which technically falls under the umbrella of American History yet I'm sure Rick wouldn't think it would be a proper alternative to taking a general American History course.

(Hope you know I'm not attacking you for Santorum's statements lol)

Like others have said, my state requires US History (which is the "American" History I'm sure he's referring to) in order to graduate, so college students will be familiar with the basics. It's counterproductive to have an entire course dedicated to going over basics that everyone should already know.

If he's upset about this, why not get mad that there isn't an Arithmetic 101 available? Where does it stop?

http://www.tea.state.tx.us/graduation.aspx

[WCsweet<3]

From the UC Davis History department course catalogue:

17A. History of the United States (4)
72A. Social History of American Women and the Family (4)
Nature, Man, and the Machine in America (4)
160. Spain and America in the 16th Century (4)
169A. Mexican-American History (4)
170A. Colonial America (4)

and more!

Berkeley from Fall 2011

7A: The United States from Settlement to Civil War
120AC: American Environmental and Cultural History
124B: The United States from World War II to the Vietnam Era
125A: The History of Black People and Race Relations, 1550-1861
130B: U.S. and the World Since 1945: Cold War Empire and Global Decolonization
C132B: Intellectual History of the United States since 1865

and more!

UCLA Winter Quarter Courses

History of the U.S. and Its Colonial Origins: 19th Century
U.S., Civil War and Reconstruction
20th-Century U.S. History since 1960
American Economic History, 1790 to 1910
onstitutional History of U.S.: Origins and Development of Constitutionalism in U.S
Topics in History: U.S.

and more!

UC Irvine

American Ethnic History
Native American History
The Formation of American Society
70C Problems in History: United States

and a ton more (seems like they might even have a division in the department about American History.

UC Merced

HIST 016: Forging of the United States, 1607-1877 [4]
HIST 017: The Modern United States, 1877-Present [4]
HIST 020: History of the American West 1500 - 1849 [4]
HIST 021: History of the American West, 1850-2000 [4]

and you guessed it: MORE!

UC Riverside Winter Courses

HISA 110B-001 Revolutionary America
HISA 115-001 Reconstruction
HISA 117A-001 US, 1914-1945
HISA 120B-001 Supreme Court & Constitution
HISA 123-001 American Economic History

+ More

UCSD Winter Term

HILD 2B – United States History
HILD 7B – Race & Ethnicity/United States
HIUS 129/USP 106 - Hist. of Race & Ethnicity/American Cities
HIUS 139/ETHN 149 - African American History/20th c.
HIUS 157 - American Womanhood 1870-Present

and so much more.

UCSB

The American People (World War I to the Present)
Special Topics--The United States and the Middle East, 1900 to the Present
Women in American History (1800 to 1900)
The Southern Civil Rights Movement, 1930 to the Present
Proseminar in Civil War and Reconstruction
American Immigration
United States in the Twentieth Century (1930 to 1959)

UCSC

10A. United States History to 1877
10B. United States History, 1877 to 1977.
14. Race and Ethnicity in the U.S.
109A. Race, Gender, and Power in the Antebellum South.
110A. Colonial America, 1500-1750.
110B. Revolutionary America, 1740-1815.

There are too many to choose from.

Santorum, you failed. It's 9 teach American history.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by WCsweet<3

Santorum, you failed. It's 7 out of 8 teach American history.

hearted.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by WCsweet<3

Santorum, you failed. It's 7 out of 8 teach American history.

Wait, isn't it 8 out of 8?

[WCsweet<3]

Yeah double posting.

I'm a history major (for my second degree). We have to take American history classes in addition to Non-Western and European history classes. I know I took history classes at my undergrad colleges. I don't remember if they were an actual requirement or just a way to fill my humanities/social sciences requirements.

[WCsweet<3]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Wait, isn't it 8 out of 8?

I'm sorry the quote from Santorum was "7 or 8 don't even teach US history." So it should be 9 out of 10 or something similar to it. My bad.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

(Hope you know I'm not attacking you for Santorum's statements lol)

Like others have said, my state requires US History (which is the "American" History I'm sure he's referring to) in order to graduate, so college students will be familiar with the basics. It's counterproductive to have an entire course dedicated to going over basics that everyone should already know.

If he's upset about this, why not get mad that there isn't an Arithmetic 101 available? Where does it stop?

http://www.tea.state.tx.us/graduation.aspx

I have to disagree with you at the bolded. Since college courses are more comprehensive then high school courses, I don't find it to be counterproductive. Should colleges not offer Political Science or Speech or Algebra courses since most high school seniors have to take these classes in order to graduate?

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I have to disagree with you at the bolded. Since college courses are more comprehensive then high school courses, I don't find it to be counterproductive. Should colleges not offer Political Science or Speech or Algebra courses since most high school seniors have to take these classes in order to graduate?

Since colleges are more comprehensive THAN (fixed that for you) high school courses, wouldn't it also follow that they would also be more in depth (as in focused on a smaller period of time or specific issue) than a general survey course?

[knight_shadow]

^^ That was my point. Thanks, amIblue.

I don't need a college course to tell me who the presidents were, but I may be interested in a course telling me about the impact of JFK's decisions during the Cuban Missle Crisis.