The Murder of Trayvon Martin

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by I2K Beta Mu

I disagree. Dudes and females should be able to dress how they please. So if a female wore some revealing shit, she should be raped?

Please reread what I've posted (twice).

No, you should not get raped or murdered because of what you wear, but we'd be lying to ourselves if we said appearances didn't matter. Otherwise, why dress up for a job interview? I could be the smartest and hardest-working person, but if I go to an interview in sweats and a dirty t-shirt, I'm not getting the job. THAT'S what I'm agreeing with.

I think if Geraldo had said this outside of the Trayvon Martin context, people wouldn't be making a fuss. It makes sense for him to say it, though, given that he's a media personality who relies on getting headlines in order to stay relevant.

[I2K Beta Mu]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Please reread what I've posted (twice).

No, you should not get raped or murdered because of what you wear, but we'd be lying to ourselves if we said appearances didn't matter. Otherwise, why dress up for a job interview? I could be the smartest and hardest-working person, but if I go to an interview in sweats and a dirty t-shirt, I'm not getting the job. THAT'S what I'm agreeing with.

I think if Geraldo had said this outside of the Trayvon Martin context, people wouldn't be making a fuss. It makes sense for him to say it, though, given that he's a media personality who relies on getting headlines in order to stay relevant.

I feel you there, but dude wasn't on an interview so he should be able to dress how he pleases. Geraldo is full of shit as far as I'm concerned.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by I2K Beta Mu

I feel you there, but dude wasn't on an interview so he should be able to dress how he pleases. Geraldo is full of shit as far as I'm concerned.

Obviously, an interview is not the only place where you should be concerned with appearances. (General) You are grown, so dress however you want, but you can't get mad if you are stereotyped as a "hood" or "thug"

[I2K Beta Mu]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Obviously, an interview is not the only place where you should be concerned with appearances. (General) You are grown, so dress however you want, but you can't get mad if you are stereotyped as a "hood" or "thug"

Folks are going to stereotype you regardless of what you wear. You can wear a Hugo Boss suit, but depending on how you are as a person, most folks will judge or stereotype you based on that alone. I don't really give a shit how folks stereotype me, because they're going to do that anyway.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by I2K Beta Mu

Folks are going to stereotype you regardless of what you wear. You can wear a Hugo Boss suit, but depending on how you are as a person, most folks will judge or stereotype you based on that alone. I don't really give a shit how folks stereotype me, because they're going to do that anyway.

Yes, some folks will stereotype regardless of your look (as I stated earlier, I'm willing to bet Zimmerman would have found Martin suspicious if he wasn't wearing the hoodie), but that doesn't mean you should happily run around perpetuating said stereotypes.

[I2K Beta Mu]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Yes, some folks will stereotype regardless of your look (as I stated earlier, I'm willing to bet Zimmerman would have found Martin suspicious if he wasn't wearing the hoodie), but that doesn't mean you should happily run around perpetuating said stereotypes.

Like I said in my post, you should wear what you feel comfortable wearing (when you are on your own time) regardless of what folks say or think.

There is no excuse for what happened to that kid, point blank.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by I2K Beta Mu

Like I said in my post, you should wear what you feel comfortable wearing (when you are on your own time) regardless of what folks say or think.

Again, folks can do what they want, but just realize that it may or may not cause others to perceive you a certain way.

There is no excuse for what happened to that kid, point blank.

Agreed (as I said multiple times lol)

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Yes, some folks will stereotype regardless of your look (as I stated earlier, I'm willing to bet Zimmerman would have found Martin suspicious if he wasn't wearing the hoodie), but that doesn't mean you should happily run around perpetuating said stereotypes.

Exactly and that is the problem.

You have a freedom but you ALSO have a responsibility.

Part of what bothers me about our younger kids coming up today is that some are not being TAUGHT that they are already stereotyped by looks alone and BY ACTING OUT those stereotypes they further along those stereotypes.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Yes, you can.

(No shade) I obviously disagree, but I'm curious why you feel that way. IIRC, I've seen you post to aspirants telling them to dress/speak appropriately when seeking membership in GLOs or face rejection. Why wouldn't the same hold true outside of the Greek world?

I think that, ESPECIALLY in the AA community, we should mindful of these things so that we're not "setting people back xx years" (for lack of a better phrase).

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Exactly and that is the problem.

You have a freedom but you ALSO have a responsibility.

Part of what bothers me about our younger kids coming up today is that some are not being TAUGHT that they are already stereotyped by looks alone and BY ACTING OUT those stereotypes they further along those stereotypes.

Yep.

And like DrPhil said, this side "issue" is taking away from the situation at hand, but what do we expect from a former "shock" journalist?

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Restating one more time: No, I don't think that a hoodie caused his death or that a mini-skirt invites rape.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Obviously, an interview is not the only place where you should be concerned with appearances. (General) You are grown, so dress however you want, but you can't get mad if you are stereotyped as a "hood" or "thug"

Yes, you can.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Obviously, an interview is not the only place where you should be concerned with appearances. (General) You are grown, so dress however you want, but you can't get mad if you are stereotyped as a "hood" or "thug"

It depends.

If you are Black wearing a "hoodie", then yes, you are most likely stereotyped as a thug. If you are White wearing a "hoodie", then you are most likely stereotyped as cool.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

It depends.

If you are Black wearing a "hoodie", then yes, you are most likely stereotyped as a thug. If you are White wearing a "hoodie", then you are most likely stereotyped as cool.

True.

I was trying to think of this outside of the Trayvon Martin context, though, so I'm not only referring to hoodies.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

True.

I was trying to think of this outside of the Trayvon Martin context, though, so I'm not only referring to hoodies.

Hoodies, sagging jeans, shirts that make you 'walking advertisements', jerseys, hats and of course hair styles.