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Old 03-13-2012, 11:29 AM
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Well, I think this deserves a mention. This is from Phi Mu's official collection, and I've sent a letter asking that it be discontinued immediately.


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Old 03-13-2012, 02:12 PM
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Well, I think this deserves a mention. This is from Phi Mu's official collection, and I've sent a letter asking that it be discontinued immediately.

I'm not sure what you dont like about this shirt..... I don't see anything terribly wrong with it, what am i missing?
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:31 PM
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I'm not sure what you dont like about this shirt..... I don't see anything terribly wrong with it, what am i missing?
Ummm...you don't see anything wrong with blackfacing their mascot and calling him "homeboy"?
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:37 PM
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Ummm...you don't see anything wrong with blackfacing their mascot and calling him "homeboy"?
I like how they gave him a 5-pointed crown for good measure.
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:43 PM
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I like how they gave him a 5-pointed crown for good measure.
Actually, it's an 8 point crown. Each of the three in the front have one directly behind that you wouldn't be able to see. That's why ASA's badge confused me at first when they told the NM that it's a 4 point crown...the 4th point is directly behind the middle point.
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:52 PM
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Actually, it's an 8 point crown. Each of the three in the front have one directly behind that you wouldn't be able to see. That's why ASA's badge confused me at first when they told the NM that it's a 4 point crown...the 4th point is directly behind the middle point.
True, but it's also a 5-point crown in the same way that ZTA's official symbol is a 5-point crown.
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:54 PM
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^^^ True, but it's also a 5-point crown in the same way that Zeta's official symbol is a 5-point crown.
I've always wondered about that...I thought it was usually depicted more tiara-style which wouldn't have additional points out of view.
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:54 PM
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True, but it's also a 5-point crown in the same way that ZTA's official symbol is a 5-point crown.
Well, I was more concerned about the OTHER use of the 5-point crown.
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Old 03-13-2012, 03:05 PM
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Ummm...you don't see anything wrong with blackfacing their mascot and calling him "homeboy"?
Only people who know what the mascot normally looks like will know that it is blackface. I am not one of those people. I too was unsure what was so offensive about the tshirt...mascot + "homeboy" is not the dumbest thing I have seen on tshirts, including things posted in the recruitment pictures thread. I figured that was for the members of whichever GLO to battle out since my nonmember opinion means nothing.

So, yeah, now that I know what it is and whose it is, I feel some kind of way about this being part of Phi Mu's OFFICIAL collection. Phi Mu has some serious explaining to do...and I am being polite.

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Old 03-13-2012, 03:16 PM
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Only people who know what the mascot normally looks like will know that it is blackface. I am not one of those people. I too was unsure what was so offensive about the tshirt...mascot + "homeboy" is not the dumbest thing I have seen on tshirts, including things posted in the recruitment pictures threads. I figured that was for the members of whichever GLO to battle out since my nonmember opinion means nothing.

So, yeah, now that I know what it is and whose it is, I feel some kind of way about this being part of Phi Mu's OFFICIAL collection. Phi Mu has some serious explaining to do...and I am being polite.
I've sent e-mails to a bunch of higher-ups, but it's really hard to explain why this is offensive to anyone who can't immediately see that it's offensive (given knowledge of Phi Mu and our mascot).
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Old 03-13-2012, 03:21 PM
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I've sent e-mails to a bunch of higher-ups, but it's really hard to explain why this is offensive to anyone who can't immediately see that it's offensive (given knowledge of Phi Mu and our mascot).
Serious questions and I am not trying to be a smartass:

Since this is an official "representation" of Phi Mu, do you see an issue with posting the picture and announcing this to GC? Are you trying to essentially shame the higher ups into understanding what is so offensive?

And why don't the higher ups understand why blackfacing the mascot would be offensive with and without the however-many-crowns-homeboy?
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Old 03-13-2012, 03:32 PM
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And why don't the higher ups understand why blackfacing the mascot would be offensive with and without the however-many-crowns-homeboy?
I will admit that the blackface didn't immediately jump out at me. My first thought with the crown and the style of the design was that it resembled a brass rubbing, where everything is black except the outline:
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Old 03-13-2012, 06:34 PM
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Serious questions and I am not trying to be a smartass:

Since this is an official "representation" of Phi Mu, do you see an issue with posting the picture and announcing this to GC? Are you trying to essentially shame the higher ups into understanding what is so offensive?

And why don't the higher ups understand why blackfacing the mascot would be offensive with and without the however-many-crowns-homeboy?
I am not trying to shame the higher ups. I really don't think that many people see stuff on GC. If I were trying to shame them, I'd send a tip to gawker or something like that. GC, while a public forum, is really a pretty small community, and I am, more than anything, expressing my own shock here.

Also, I am frustrated, as I said above, that I can't really explain why this offends me, and there are people I trust here who could say things like "whoa, calm down, you're making a big deal out of nothing" or "yeah, you're right, that could be taken the wrong way".

As I think about it further, even if it is not seen as "blackface", it is a misappropriation of minority culture by an organization with largely white, wealthy, elitist roots, and is just not worth the potential for causing offense.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:01 AM
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Well, I think this deserves a mention. This is from Phi Mu's official collection, and I've sent a letter asking that it be discontinued immediately.

Good lord.
Would Chuck Norris wear this t-shirt? (Well, no. He went Tri-Delt, didn't he? <Now imagining a Poseidon-is-my-homeboy shirt.>)
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