1911 United: Re-elect President Obama

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

What part of the site asks people to vote because he's black?

From the first post:

"From there, the two members of each fraternity gave birth to the idea of creating an organization to assist in the re-election efforts of our first African American President, President Barack Obama."

I am still looking for references in these articles to all the great policies he has instituted. But I see very little, if any. If I am wrong, I apologize. It just seemed, to me, that the emphasis was on the fact that he was the first African American President and not on any of his policies. Hence my question about Cain. Who would they support if there are two African Americans running against each other? Maybe not a fair question because it won't happen but it seemed interesting to me.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Well, I was trying to get a specific example based on:

It is not on the website. It is Ghostwriter's assumption that race primarily matters to "them" which means race matters to Ghostwriter more than he was willing to admit.

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Hence my question about Cain. Who would they support if there are two African Americans running against each other? Maybe not a fair question because it won't happen but it seemed interesting to me.

Here is food for Ghostwriter's thought:

There were Black Presidential hopefuls in the past who did not receive much support from many African Americans across political parties. Herman Cain would be no exception. Cain was not considered a viable GOP hopeful by most Republicans, let alone Democrats; and Cain was not supported by most African-Americans. So, don't have a brain fart over this, why would 1911 United be confused as to whether to support President Obama or Herman Cain?

[knight_shadow]

From my post earlier (copied directly from the organization's site):

The mission of 1911 United is to invigorate the electorate across all 12 battleground states to not only take responsibility for educating themselves on the electoral process, but to also encourage all who will listen to re-elect the President of the United States, Barack Obama. Yes, our goals include registering millions of voters. Yes, our goals include recruiting an army of volunteers for President Obama. However, our primary objective in this endeavor is to simply educate voters on the issues most pressing to their financial, social, educational, and occupational outlooks. People need to know who they are voting for and why. People need to be abreast of pertinent issues that will affect our children for years to come. This is why Ques and the Nupes have partnered up to spearhead a new movement for our country, an educationally uplifting and powerful movement. We need YOUR help. Are you in? I’m in!

Hopefully this is not your objective, but it seems as if you're implying that AA citizens will ONLY vote because the candidate is black and that we'll somehow get "confused" if there were 2 opposing black candidates. Why can't 1911 United be a group supporting the democratic party?

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As a S/N: I think the emphasis is on "We need black citizens to register to vote for our President" as opposed to "We need citizens to register to vote for our black President". To many AAs, "First black President" is an important distinction. This is just the group speaking to its target audience.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Hopefully this is not your objective, but it seems as if you're implying that AA citizens will ONLY vote because the candidate is black and that we'll somehow get "confused" if there were 2 opposing black candidates. Why can't 1911 United be a group supporting the democratic party?

That goes back to my earlier post to Senusret I. Either Black folks across political parties will get confused or only 1911 United will get confused. Then 1911 United will work tirelessly to confuse the rest of the Black folks since Black folks are easily confused. Either way, confusion. LOL.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That goes back to my earlier post to Senusret I. Either Black folks across political parties will get confused or only 1911 United will get confused. Then 1911 United will work tirelessly to confuse the rest of the Black folks since Black folks are easily confused. Either way, confusion. LOL.

OK. I had to go back and find that post lol

Ghostwriter's insinuation was insulting, and I hope he wasn't intentionally implying that we couldn't favor a candidate and that we were only capable of voting for a race.

ETA: I wonder if that question would have been asked if Gamma Phi Beta and Alpha Phi (for example) joined forces to encourage votes for Senator Clinton over Sarah Palin.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That goes back to my earlier post to Senusret I. Either Black folks across political parties will get confused or only 1911 United will get confused. Then 1911 United will work tirelessly to confuse the rest of the Black folks since Black folks are easily confused. Either way, confusion. LOL.

You silly, easily confused Black folks.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Ghostwriter's insinuation was insulting....

It allowed Ghostwriter to show his true colors (there is no pun here). True colors are best shown when people are not consciously trying to convince themselves and others of untruths.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

ETA: I wonder if that question would have been asked if Gamma Phi Beta and Alpha Phi (for example) joined forces to encourage votes for Senator Clinton over Sarah Palin.

Yes because women are also a power minority. Women are emotional, irrational, illogical, and menstruating creatures. Multiply that by a million when it comes to sociopolitical concerns. Hilary Clinton and Sarah Palin** would confuse women and anger men. The bolded is sarcasm, of course, this is fun.

** Sarah Palin is about as viable a candidate as Herman Cain.

Originally Posted by amIblue?

You silly, easily confused Black folks.

We can't help it!

The Black women on Cain's camp were playing on that ignorance. They went on every political show talking about President Obama running again Cain would be an exciting, monumental moment because people could not use race and instead had to make decisions based on political platforms.

[knight_shadow]

^^^ Re: the 2nd part - Duly noted

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

ETA: I wonder if that question would have been asked if Gamma Phi Beta and Alpha Phi (for example) joined forces to encourage votes for Senator Clinton over Sarah Palin.

Well, clearly, it would have been. Women are also silly and easily confused.

[Low C Sharp]

There is a subset of the Democrats who would have voted for Obama even if all the ridiculous things said about him WERE true

When I was ringing doorbells in a swing state in 2008, my group met a white, Christian voter who believed Obama was a secret Muslim and was planning to vote for him anyway. Who knew?

[alphatausc]

I voted in the year Obama got elected. I have never seen so many black people in my whole life. While standing in line, I talked to dozens of black voters (newly registered) about how this was their first time voting, and they were voting "just so one of our kind gets in that white man's office". True quote. Easily remembered because that's about all I heard from them.

Record numbers of newly registered black voters voted during Obama's election year. Put that with the white Democrats and soft-conservatives turned off by McCain and eager for the "Change" Obama promised, and the US saw its first black man elected to its highest office. To deny that color wasn't a factor in Obama's election is ridiculous. Surely, DrPhil can't be that ignorant.

Now, how many black candidates were in a position to win the election before Obama's campaign? I mean, in a position where Democrats, blacks, and soft-conservatives would be willing to vote against the Republican candidate to elect the black candidate. Yeah, none.

Herman Cain has no chance at office. And he is not as polished as Obama is public speaking. So even if Cain was the Republican candidate, Obama would wipe him clean in a debate, thus wiping him clean in an election. Due to the fact that 1. Those newly registered black voters would vote again. 2. Those black voters watch tv and see that Obama surely is the better candidate because he speaks better. And 3. Democrats and soft-conservatives are still waiting for that change Obama has promised.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Ya know, it always pisses me off when people bitch that Obama hasn't brought change. He actually has brought a lot. And he would have brought more if not for the same folks claiming he didn't bring change didn't fight him tooth and nail.

[alphatausc]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Ya know, it always pisses me off when people bitch that Obama hasn't brought change. He actually has brought a lot. And he would have brought more if not for the same folks claiming he didn't bring change didn't fight him tooth and nail.

Well you are right. In our nation's history, has ANY president not brought change?

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

OK. I had to go back and find that post lol

Ghostwriter's insinuation was insulting, and I hope he wasn't intentionally implying that we couldn't favor a candidate and that we were only capable of voting for a race.

ETA: I wonder if that question would have been asked if Gamma Phi Beta and Alpha Phi (for example) joined forces to encourage votes for Senator Clinton over Sarah Palin.

It very well could if Hillary Clinton was the current President and sororities were running a re-election "campaign" for her. The fact that a national fraternity is endorsing a political candidate and party is very interesting to me. What about the men in these groups that are republicans or independents?

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

It very well could if Hillary Clinton was the current President and sororities were running a re-election "campaign" for her. The fact that a national fraternity is endorsing a political candidate and party is very interesting to me. What about the men in these groups that are republicans or independents?

The organization is very clear that the fraternities not endorsing Obama, but certain members of the fraternities are.