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Old 10-30-2011, 12:31 PM
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I love dressing up for Halloween, but that means being creative and not just buying a ready made costume from a Halloween store which is just stocked with ridiculous, standard slut fare. We just went to a birthday party for our friends' 11 year old daughter last night with the theme "Goth". Everyone went all out dressing up in goth attire and full out make-up. Their family ended up with a hilarious family portrait that should be their Christmas card. I can only imagine the reactions they would get from that!
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:50 PM
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A) If it is not okay for a nonblack person to dress up/color their skin to look like a black person, then it is NOT okay for a nonwhite person to color their skin to look like a white person. Double standards such as this are not okay, and I am appalled that some seem to be supporting them.

B) DrPhil, you seem extremely hostile toward white people. If you want to make a valid argument, I personally believe you need to leave out all your generalizations of white people. It's the same as if I made some generalization about black people, which I'm sure you would not appreciate.

C) The movie White Chicks featured two black men dressing up as white women. Is this movie okay in your opinion?
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Old 10-30-2011, 04:35 PM
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I do not think southernbelle14 understands that it was predominantly (or only? I don't know) the white GCers who said the whiteface is not offensive.

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B) DrPhil, you seem extremely hostile toward white people.
This common response is only worthy of other common responses:

"I am still waiting on my 40 Acres and a Mule."

"Some of my bestfriends are white."

"I have white people in my family."

"Why can't we all just get along."

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If you want to make a valid argument, I personally believe you need to leave out all your generalizations of white people. It's the same as if I made some generalization about black people, which I'm sure you would not appreciate.
Valid arguments actually work best when they are based on generalizations instead of individual perspectives and opinions. There are millions of people in this world so these topics are not limited to "I" and "you." Imagine how many social movements would have been lost if people were unable to see the larger pattern and instead said "but not EVERYONE feels this way so that means it can't be even remotely plausible!!!"

But, I am sure you were really talking about stereotypes rather than a generalization. They seem similar but they are not the same thing. So, if you can think of a generalization (based on trends and patterns across Black people) that is actually accurate, have at it. Here is one for you in case you are confused: African Americans are often not (read: generally speaking) conscious of racial sensitivity when it comes to depictions of white people.

That generalization does not mean that all African Americans are unconscious of this or that all African Americans are racially insensitive towards white people.

As for why this generalization may be the case:

There are generations of theorists, researchers, and practitioners who examine this and there are a number of possible explanations, including what some GCers have already stated or implied. Negative depictions towards whites are relatively rare across most contexts and there is a question as to whether there is a lasting negative impact (which can be different than the lasting impact of negative portrayals of various white ethnic groups). That does not mean that negative depictions of whites are not racially insensitive or dumb. It means that racism and discrimination are rooted in power. "White Chicks" and other rare media depictions of white people would never have occurred if the white bosses (read: the bosses of these Black people) believed that the social cost of depicting white people outweighed the financial gain.

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Old 10-30-2011, 04:49 PM
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I just don't believe you can talk about how insensitive whites are to race when you're saying white people do this or white people say that. It just seems to go against the whole point. You don't want things that are racially offensive to be okay. So saying that white people do certain things and say certain things doesn't seem okay to me. Maybe in your experience it's true, but that doesn't mean it is in general.
Also, I was speaking to the other people who were saying it is okay for nonwhites to dress up as whites. Including agzg who said it was not the same as a nonblack dressing up as a black. If black people don't want white to dress up as black, then they shouldn't dress up as white. Just my personal opinion though.
And White Chicks was written, directed and produced by black men.
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:02 PM
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I just don't believe you can talk about how insensitive whites are to race when you're saying white people do this or white people say that.
LOL. Sorry to break it to you but a discussion of racial insensitivity IS about "people do this or people say that." What is racial insensitivity if it is not about what people tend to say and do? I happened to be discussing white people because it applied in that instance but, as you hopefully read, I also discuss what Black people tend to do when applicable.

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And White Chicks was written, directed and produced by black men.
Whose "bosses" are white people. Who do you think heads Revolution Studios and Columbia Pictures?

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Old 10-30-2011, 05:16 PM
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LOL. Sorry to break it to you but a discussion of racial insensitivity IS about "people do this or people say that." What is racial insensitivity if it is not about what people tend to say and do? I happened to be discussing white people because it applied in that instance but, as you hopefully read, I also discuss what Black people tend to do when applicable.

Okay, I'm obviously failing at communicating my thoughts/opinions in a clear way because you're not quite grasping what I intend to say. I blame it on my being tired, so I'm just going to give up for now.
And I did not mean to be rude or offensive with my posts, so I apologize if I came across that way.
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:40 PM
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Okay, I'm obviously failing at communicating my thoughts/opinions in a clear way because you're not quite grasping what I intend to say. I blame it on my being tired, so I'm just going to give up for now.
I grasp what you are saying and disagree with it. Opinions are opinions and behaviors are behaviors. Since we are social creatures many opinions and behaviors are quite common. This thread topic would not exist and persist if not for intraracial and interracial commonalities in expressed opinions and behaviors. I choose to highlight certain commonalities and that's that.

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And I did not mean to be rude or offensive with my posts, so I apologize if I came across that way.
I read nothing rude or offensive. And that's a huge feat coming from a Black person who is hostile towards white people. *grabbing my 40 Acres and a Mule and going home to hang with my white siblings*

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