I Am Not a Costume!

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MisticLight

I love dressing up in costume when I go to conventions but at the same time I don't want to offend anyone. I love showing love for my favorite fictional characters but most of the time I look nothing like them in real life. (such as different skin color or opposite gender)

Well OK, let's discuss that.

Is it offensive to an African-American if a white man dresses up - skin darkened and all - as Worf from ST: TNG? IMO, that would depend on how much Worf's skin color was part of him being a Klingon.

I can't believe I just wrote that.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Well OK, let's discuss that.

Is it offensive to an African-American if a white man dresses up - skin darkened and all - as Worf from ST: TNG? IMO, that would depend on how much Worf's skin color was part of him being a Klingon.

I can't believe I just wrote that.

Letting my nerd show, but IIRC all the Klingons were black.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Letting my nerd show, but IIRC all the Klingons were black.

Nope. Many were played by white actors. Brian Bonsall (also from Family Ties) played Worf's son, for example.

[MisticLight]

I don't wear any make up at all with my costumes mainly because I'm not experienced with using make up and I'll rather just not worry if skin color is accurate unless it's a weird color like blue/purple where is it part of the character.

[amIblue?]

I think using makeup to change your skin color (unless it's red or blue, etc) is problematic.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

I think using makeup to change your skin color (unless it's red or blue, etc) is problematic.

I get the whole minstrel show thing and how incredibly offensive all of that was, but don't you think taking a position that ALL makeup to change skin color is problematic?

I mean, apart from the terrible writing and not being funny at all, there's nothing particularly offensive about this:



--is there?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I get the whole minstrel show thing and how incredibly offensive all of that was, but don't you think taking a position that ALL makeup to change skin color is problematic?

I mean, apart from the terrible writing and not being funny at all, there's nothing particularly offensive about this:



--is there?

You do realize that Tyler Perry is naturally Black?

His schtick is really no different than Vicky Lawrence who played "Mamma" on Mamma's Family.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

You do realize that Tyler Perry is naturally Black?

I was responding to someone who said any alteration by makeup to another natural color of the skin was offensive to her.

His schtick is really no different than Vicky Lawrence who played "Mamma" on Mamma's Family.

Okay, so how 'bout this then:


(Arsenio Hall)

[Psi U MC Vito]

So I stand corrected.

[amIblue?]

Y'all lost me at Klingon.

[DrPhil]

This thread is old and Halloween is over. But this article about Black Pete and Christmas made me think of this thread.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4259497.html

[Tulip86]

The blackface has to go, and most (educated) Dutch people wholeheartedly agree with that and have for years. It's getting the message across to the rest of the people and eradicating a centuries-old tradition that has proven to be very difficult.

I personally think, because Dutch culture is so integrated and influenced by many cultures, some people don't (want to) recognize that some of their traditions and behaviors still stem from racism, even if they don't see it as racist.

The organizing parties have taken steps to slowly alter the appearance of Zwarte Piet as of 2014, since the 2013 celebrations are already going on. Starting in 2014 there will be changes made to slowly alter the look of Zwarte Piet in a few years. As in, no more golden earrings, curly black wigs, red lips etc, with more changes every year. They decided against changing it all in one year, as that would have the same result as telling all kids that Santa doesn't exist, the Dutch kids believe in Sinterklaas and Zwarte Piet like American kids believe in Santa. I'm glad this has got people talking and reevaluating their behaviors.

And Black Pete has nothing to do with Christmas here. It's a different holiday. In The Netherlands Christmas is still BabyJesus, sparkly lights and food. Santa and his reindeer have made an entrance too (mostly on TV), but December 5th is when kids get presents from an old guy in a red suit, who, with his helpers, deliver presents to all kids who were good. Sound familiar?

I have to say, this is a very poorly written article on the subject. I can tell the article is written by an "outsider" as in, they got many, many facts wrong in that article and it's very one-sided. There has been a huge debate on this in the last few months and most of the stories on the web and in papers have been far better researched.


TLDR? The Blackface has to go, and most Dutch people agree, but how to do that without taking away THE children's holiday (presents-wise celebrated much like X-mas) is going to be a tough nut to crack.

[DrPhil]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...nder-fire.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...lands/3000531/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...nited-nations/

http://news.yahoo.com/dutch-push-bac...175656278.html

[Tulip86]

I think the article from the Washington post reflects what most Dutch people feel that even though it's a tradition, this has to change.

[SWTXBelle]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...opriation.html