90 year old becomes ZTA through AI

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

We do! And they are men!

It doesn't really matter one way or another if she is an AI or an honorary member. I think I just had it in my head that AI required a 4-year degree. I didn't know that individual groups could waive that requirement, seeing that it is an NPC agreement that they can not waive at the collegiate level.

There is no NPC requirement that you HAVE a college degree only that you be enrolled in pursuit of one. You don't lose your membership because you quit school before you get your degree. You become an alum when you leave school - with or without a degree.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Titchou

There is no NPC requirement that you HAVE a college degree only that you be enrolled in pursuit of one. You don't lose your membership because you quit school before you get your degree. You become an alum when you leave school - with or without a degree.

Exactly. The girls who pledge as first semester freshmen and then transfer/drop out/what have you are still alumnae, even if they were only active collegian sisters for 2.5 seconds.

[SWTXBelle]

No doubt every group that does AI has different requirements. A college degree is not required for Gamma Phi - and as has been referenced before, those who pledge and initiate as collegians are full-fledged alumnae whether or not they receive their degree before leaving college as long as they are in good standing with the chapter.

I know some fraternities had something similar to AI after WWII - initiating men who had been pledges but left before initiating because they went to war. I don't know the current state of AI-type programs for IFC or related fraternities. Gentlemen?

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Exactly. The girls who pledge as first semester freshmen and then transfer/drop out/what have you are still alumnae, even if they were only active collegian sisters for 2.5 seconds.

Sidenote: I had a really good convo with a very annoyed advisor of another sorority about how much it annoys her that girls can get initiated, then leave school the very next semester as a full alumnae member in good standing.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Sidenote: I had a really good convo with a very annoyed advisor of another sorority about how much it annoys her that girls can get initiated, then leave school the very next semester as a full alumnae member in good standing.

I feel like that kind of defeats the purpose. We don't initiate at the end of four years after all. I get the 'put in the effort and don't get the results' feeling and all but...

The guy who ran the training I just took put it like this, he'd rather train his potential leaders and have them take that training elsewhere than have them learn nothing and keep them. In this situation, better to have the alumnae members, who have at least a chance of reactivating or being active alumnae than to not have them at all OR keep new members dangling around without initiating.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Sidenote: I had a really good convo with a very annoyed advisor of another sorority about how much it annoys her that girls can get initiated, then leave school the very next semester as a full alumnae member in good standing.

Wow, she'd be really annoyed that we had a national council member who had the temerity to transfer and only be active after two years as an active collegian.

Most girls who initiate and then transfer/drop out/leave school the next semester DO NOT do it because they want to leave their sorority. Either they change majors to something the current school doesn't offer, or don't make grades, or have family issues, or lose their $$$ source. It's not very "sisterly" to say that these people are undserving of alumnae status, ESPECIALLY if family or schooling is involved, as that's something that I think all sororities would say comes before your membership. They sometimes are better sisters and better sources of support than girls who stay around all 4 years...