ANTM All-Stars

[AlphaFrog]

I don't know why they were bitching about some of the girls' Express pics being too commercial. Express is a commercial line, not Haute Couture, and probably would have been thrilled with those pics. I actually wish it was the Express lady as the guest judge so she could tell them so.

Also, k_s...you thought it should have gone the other way, or you thought neither of those two deserved it? It's too early to get rid of Lisa because she's good TV, that's how I knew it was going the way it did.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I don't know why they were bitching about some of the girls' Express pics being too commercial. Express is a commercial line, not Haute Couture, and probably would have been thrilled with those pics. I actually wish it was the Express lady as the guest judge so she could tell them so.

Agreed.

Also, k_s...you thought it should have gone the other way, or you thought neither of those two deserved it? It's too early to get rid of Lisa because she's good TV, that's how I knew it was going the way it did.

I thought it should have gone the other way.

I know what Tyra is trying to accomplish (America's Next Top Tyra, essentially), but I don't think the world is really looking for another "well rounded" model. The women who can really model are being shafted in favor of the "I want to be an actress, a singer, a dancer, a..." ones.

[AlphaFrog]

I didn't see her cycle, but to me, Camille is kind of blah. Not memorable this cycle. None of her pics were anything more than decent. Lisa is at least memorable and has had a couple excellent pics. I didn't even think that her pic this week was that bad (not great, either but better than Bianca's), and that they were really only hard on her because they expect more out of her.

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I thought it should have gone the other way.

I know what Tyra is trying to accomplish (America's Next Top Tyra, essentially), but I don't think the world is really looking for another "well rounded" model. The women who can really model are being shafted in favor of the "I want to be an actress, a singer, a dancer, a..." ones.

^^^ I disagree here as well. I think in America we DO want our celebs to be well rounded. Take Dancing With the Stars...we (collective we - I don't actually watch it) watch that show because we get to see celebs attempt a different skill set. Same with Celebrity Apprentice. And God knows there cannot be any other explanation for putting Adam Garcia in Wicked on West End, because boy is nice to look at, but he CAN NOT SING. He still put butts in seats, though.



Total tangent, but this reminds me of a debate I had recently with some theatre folks...one of the Jonas brothers, who actually had a legit Broadway career before their teen stardom, is set to join the Broadway cast of How to Succeed in Business next year. They were bemoaning the fact that they believe that celeb status rather than talent got him that role. I argued that regardless of personal interest/emotions over this decision, Broadway is first and foremost a business and an art form secondary. It kills me as an actress to say, but reality is reality (except on tv ).

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I didn't see her cycle, but to me, Camille is kind of blah. Not memorable this cycle. None of her pics were anything more than decent. Lisa is at least memorable and has had a couple excellent pics. I didn't even think that her pic this week was that bad (not great, either but better than Bianca's), and that they were really only hard on her because they expect more out of her.

I don't think Camille is the greatest model ever, but she knows how to walk and photographs better than most of the other women on the show. I feel like, if I was flipping through a magazine and saw a picture of Lisa, I'd have to wash my hands. I'm sure clients aren't falling over themselves for that reaction.

^^^ I disagree here as well. I think in America we DO want our celebs to be well rounded. Take Dancing With the Stars...we (collective we - I don't actually watch it) watch that show because we get to see celebs attempt a different skill set. Same with Celebrity Apprentice. And God knows there cannot be any other explanation for putting Adam Garcia in Wicked on West End, because boy is nice to look at, but he CAN NOT SING. He still put butts in seats, though.

With the exception of Tyra and maybe Giselle, how many semi-recent models have become media conglomerates?

I remember Tyra's era being filled with the supermodels, so I understand why she's using that as her frame of reference. I don't think we're going to have another supermodel boom, though, so why not have a modeling show with women who can actually model? I don't care if "you don't like the drama and you're not here to make friends" lol

[AlphaFrog]

^^With the exception of Tyra and Giselle, how many semi-recent models can you name period?

Tyra keeps talking about ANTM launching their CAREERS. The truth is, you can't have a career as JUST a fashion model. Unless you KILLED IT in your late teens/early 20s and spent VERY wisely, at some point in your life, you're going to have to do something else. Even Camille was talking on this episode about models not making as much as they used to, and having trouble paying her bills. I can't fault Tyra for trying to set them up for better things than that.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

^^With the exception of Tyra and Giselle, how many semi-recent models can you name period?

Tyra keeps talking about ANTM launching their CAREERS. The truth is, you can't have a career as JUST a fashion model. Unless you KILLED IT in your late teens/early 20s and spent VERY wisely, at some point in your life, you're going to have to do something else. Even Camille was talking on this episode about models not making as much as they used to, and having trouble paying her bills. I can't fault Tyra for trying to set them up for better things than that.

Adriana Lima
Selita Ebanks
Doutzen
Tocarra
Chanel Iman

Of course, since I watch this show religiously, I may not be the most representative person lol

How about teaching them how to photograph? Direct? Host? I also think it's good that Tyra is trying to get them to do more than just look pretty, but judging someone because she flubbed a line on a medical show is stupid.

I remember a few years back when they had to act like they were on the red carpet and read names off of a teleprompter. THAT makes sense. If you don't know YSL, D+G, Gucci, etc, then you probably don't need to be in that industry. However, if you aren't familiar with barbiturates, that shouldn't make you a failure as a model.

ETA: I think Lisa has an interesting personality that lends itself to comedy/acting, but if that's the path that she wants to take, then she should be a comedian/actress. If you want to be a model, then dammit, you need to model.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Am I the only one still watching this trainwreck?

I think so lol I completely forgot it was still on

They told Alexandria that she looks like the MODEL in the video, not the singer. Did I miss something? Last week she was too reality show star and this week she was too much of a model, and THAT is what got her sent home from a MODELING REALITY SHOW?? What.The.Eff????

The challenge itself...since the prizes include being a correspondent and a Covergirl, the challenges where they have to act and do interviews and promote products make sense, but singing and making a music video?? And Tyra's "Pot Ledom" hook? Stupid, stupid, stupid. I did LOVE Allison's video, though. It was kinda Tim Burtonish and memorable.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I know what Tyra is trying to accomplish (America's Next Top Tyra, essentially), but I don't think the world is really looking for another "well rounded" model. The women who can really model are being shafted in favor of the "I want to be an actress, a singer, a dancer, a..." ones.