Indiana Recruitment

[33girl]

Originally Posted by IUHoosiergirl88

I will say that chapters who are on the larger side are, to an extent, made fun of/ostracized because they are bigger. My chapter, for example, takes large PCs and we're fine with that. However, people will say that 'we take anybody.' You can't get houses to change size without changing that culture

Exactly. The only way this will work is if q/t is implemented by the IU administration going over Panhel's head, and if national groups follow through and promise to yank the charters of anyone who doesn't comply.

And if that happens...honestly? I wouldn't be surprised if a local sorority culture sprung up. Maybe I am just talking out of my hat, but for a campus who has clung to this method as long as they have, it seems the logical next step if that method's yanked away.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by IUHoosiergirl88

I will say that chapters who are on the larger side are, to an extent, made fun of/ostracized because they are bigger. My chapter, for example, takes large PCs and we're fine with that. However, people will say that 'we take anybody.' You can't get houses to change size without changing that culture

I think you are correct to some extent here. The Third Street chapters are landlocked and cannot expand. They are smaller, hold fewer women, and have an easy time making quotas of 30-40 each year. The niece of a friend is in a Third Street chapter and she told us that the term "Third Street Elite" is bantered about quite often. From what I remember the chapter houses on the extension hold more women. DZ looks huge, as do ADPi and AOPi, from the outside. If i remember correctly, only 7 chapters allow live outs and each chapter gets to make that decision. If 3 or 4 more chapters allowed live out options for seniors, then at least 100 more women could be placed. I can't image why chapters wouldn't want to have at least 45-50 in each pledge class making each chapter closer to 150 first semester and 200 second semester. If girls are allowed to live out, they have more money coming in: dues, parlor fees, more alumnae to make donations, etc. I don't think a pledge class of at least 50 is too large to deter bonding.

I guess I just am frustrated watching so many quality women who want to be in the Greek system being denied membership on such a large scale.

[AXOrushadvisor]

After reading all the information on IU's bed quota policy on NPC's blog all I can say is WOW! I'm shocked and concerned about all the negative impact this single large university will/might have on young women who are interested in going Greek not only at IU but other large universities. I am surprised that the National organizations have not stepped in and mandated that IU uses RFM or some other method to place women. It just seems logical to me that if you have 1,600-2000 women go through and there is 20 chapters and they are all taking +-50 you are not going to place all of these girls. The cross cutting must be tremendous for a young women to attend 3 preference parties and go bidless. As a Mom I would be VERY cautious to send my daughter into a situation with those kinds of odds.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

I am surprised that the National organizations have not stepped in and mandated that IU uses RFM or some other method to place women. It just seems logical to me that if you have 1,600-2000 women go through and there is 20 chapters and they are all taking +-50 you are not going to place all of these girls. The cross cutting must be tremendous for a young women to attend 3 preference parties and go bidless. As a Mom I would be VERY cautious to send my daughter into a situation with those kinds of odds.

The national organizations, as we say time and again, are at the university solely at the university's invitation. Their house = their rules. If the university doesn't feel the need to mandate RFM, Q/T or anything else, the sororities can't make them do so. The only way the sororities can register protest is to pull the charters of their IU chapters, or require the IU chapter to be at a total of 150 or whatever - and if the situation is as IUHoosiergirl88 says, that would only result in "Don't join XYZ. Their national makes them take extra girls for extra money. They take anyone."

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by 33girl

The national organizations, as we say time and again, are at the university solely at the university's invitation. Their house = their rules. If the university doesn't feel the need to mandate RFM, Q/T or anything else, the sororities can't make them do so. The only way the sororities can register protest is to pull the charters of their IU chapters, or require the IU chapter to be at a total of 150 or whatever - and if the situation is as IUHoosiergirl88 says, that would only result in "Don't join XYZ. Their national makes them take extra girls for extra money. They take anyone."

I'm confused. Why does the university care?

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I'm confused. Why does the university care?

From my graduate studies, there is quite a bit of evidence out there that shows Greek students contribute more as alumni than non-Greek students do. My classmates who work in development all know this. I would guess that like other public universities, IU wants to increase alumni giving. By expanding the greek system, the donations should increase in a few years. Also, I know that the Greek Life office at IU takes a PR hit every year after recruitment. I would also hazard a guess that they might be a little tired of fielding the calls from special snowflakes and their mothers. Yes, they do get phone calls from mothers.

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

I would also hazard a guess that they might be a little tired of fielding the calls from special snowflakes and their mothers. Yes, they do get phone calls from mothers.

If the comments on that NPC blog are any indication, that doesn't surprise me at all. I understand they are upset, but thinking that investigative shows like Dateline would be interested in how their snowflakes didn't get a bid is delusional.

I'd be curious to know how many of the unplaced PNMs who had "perfect" recruitment experiences until being cross cut after preference ranked the Jordan and unhoused chapters low enough to drop them in the earlier rounds.

One other thing too. All the complaints about not knowing the odds at IU. Is IU really that secretive about the placement rate or are these girls simply in denial and don't think it could possibly happen to them?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

From my graduate studies, there is quite a bit of evidence out there that shows Greek students contribute more as alumni than non-Greek students do. My classmates who work in development all know this. I would guess that like other public universities, IU wants to increase alumni giving. By expanding the greek system, the donations should increase in a few years. Also, I know that the Greek Life office at IU takes a PR hit every year after recruitment. I would also hazard a guess that they might be a little tired of fielding the calls from special snowflakes and their mothers. Yes, they do get phone calls from mothers.

Sorry, I meant, "why would the university do something to prevent a quota/total system?" If the NPC groups wanted that, why would the U resist?

[TriDeltaSallie]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

Also, I know that the Greek Life office at IU takes a PR hit every year after recruitment. I would also hazard a guess that they might be a little tired of fielding the calls from special snowflakes and their mothers. Yes, they do get phone calls from mothers.

Interesting read over there.

I don't know if I would necessarily call all of these bidless women special snowflakes. To be sure that happens. But when you have that many women go bidless because of a screwy situation, there are bound to be a lot of quality girls missing out simply because of the number game.

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I'm confused. Why does the university care?

I believe the university has come to rely on the Greek system as a de facto source for a large chunk of its campus housing.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

I believe the university has come to rely on the Greek system as a de facto source for a large chunk of its campus housing.

Well, if that's true (and it could be) then why aren't they selling the empty lots to the new sororities? That would truly add more housing, but they aren't budging.

[ForeverRoses]

A few years ago (I'm at work so I don't have my binders in front of me to give exact dates), NPC came to IU to try and get them to move away from bed rush. As you can see, it didn't happen.

And yes, the AOII house IS huge.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Can someone link this infamous blog 'o' whining parents? I can't seem to find it.

[Tulip86]

http://sororityparents.com/2011/01/s...y_bloomington/

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Tulip86

http://sororityparents.com/2011/01/s...y_bloomington/

Thanks. It's kinda funny that, for every parent complaining, there is an alum defending the system.

Also, comments like this:

"My daughter is in the midst of rush at IU and I received the heartbreaking call this morning that she didn’t receive invites from her favorites."

make me hate parents.