Some questions about Recs

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by RedLipstick

I believe there were over 700 rushing last year at formal rush. (We have 11 chapters and about 45 per pledge class.) So, I know there were just way too many girls for everyone to get a bid, but I think recs would've helped.

Some info here:

"Too many girls for everyone to get a bid" is a MYTH.

Quota is set by the number of women participating (typically the number of women making it to Preference round and attanding at least one pref party.) There's no such thing as too many girls for everyone to get a bid (unless you are at Indiana or Nebraska where they do not use traditional quota.)

[RedLipstick]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Some info here:

"Too many girls for everyone to get a bid" is a MYTH.

Quota is set by the number of women participating (typically the number of women making it to Preference round and attanding at least one pref party.) There's no such thing as too many girls for everyone to get a bid (unless you are at Indiana or Nebraska where they do not use traditional quota.)

I'm not sure I agree. Most of the houses on campus can house 35-45 girls per pledge class. Many houses gave bids to 55+ girls last year. A new sorority is colonizing this year, so that will give a lot more girls the chance to be involved in greek life. I understand how quota works, but the amount of girls not receiving bids in the last two years made the council realize that it was time to expand.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by RedLipstick

I'm not sure I agree. Most of the houses on campus can house 35-45 girls per pledge class. Many houses gave bids to 55+ girls last year. A new sorority is colonizing this year, so that will give a lot more girls the chance to be involved in greek life. I understand how quota works, but the amount of girls not receiving bids in the last two years made the council realize that it was time to expand.

I'm going to say this in the nicest way possible. Sorry but that's not how it works.

Schools decide to add more sororities because Greek Life is thriving, chapters are all at a maximum size, PNMs are being placed routinely and the school thinks a new chapter would succeed.

Expansion decisions are not made because too FEW women are getting bids.

Other actual sorority women with recruitment experience can chime in on this.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by RedLipstick

I'm not sure I agree. Most of the houses on campus can house 35-45 girls per pledge class. Many houses gave bids to 55+ girls last year. A new sorority is colonizing this year, so that will give a lot more girls the chance to be involved in greek life. I understand how quota works, but the amount of girls not receiving bids in the last two years made the council realize that it was time to expand.

Sure, but that does NOT change the fact that quota is still adjusted to fit as many girls as they can into chapters. It doesn't matter if 10 women or 1000 women go through. Large numbers of women who don't match are usually mostly made up of people who dropped out, not people who are completely released from recruitment. Panhellenic is expanding because the chapters are getting to big, not because too many girls dropped out and didn't get bids. The existing chapters would like to manage their sizes by adding extra groups to help with demand.

[RedLipstick]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I'm going to say this in the nicest way possible. Sorry but that's not how it works.

Schools decide to add more sororities because Greek Life is thriving, chapters are all at a maximum size, PNMs are being placed routinely and the school thinks a new chapter would succeed.

Expansion decisions are not made because too FEW women are getting bids.

Other actual sorority women with recruitment experience can chime in on this.

By saying that you're going to say it in the nicest way way possible, kind of made it seem not nice. :/

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Sure, but that does NOT change the fact that quota is still adjusted to fit as many girls as they can into chapters. It doesn't matter if 10 women or 1000 women go through. Large numbers of women who don't match are usually mostly made up of people who dropped out, not people who are completely released from recruitment. Panhellenic is expanding because the chapters are getting to big, not because too many girls dropped out and didn't get bids. The existing chapters would like to manage their sizes by adding extra groups to help with demand.

And they just can't fit anymore. Multiple news articles about rush at my school have stated that the number of girls not receiving bids (and that doesn't include dropping out) was a major factor in deciding to expand to another chapter. So, that's why I said what I did. Perhaps I am missing something and I understand about quota, but it's just what I read about rush at my school. *shrug*

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by RedLipstick

By saying that you're going to say it in the nicest way way possible, kind of made it seem not nice. :/

Believe me, that was nice.

Originally Posted by RedLipstick

And they just can't fit anymore.

In a sense, that can be true. When all chapters are making quota, and quota is increasing, CPHs generally consider one of two options: raising total or extension. One of the things to consider which is right for your campus is how big chapters would like to be, if they have space to continue to grow if total is raised. If the chapters' housing/facilities are not meant to accomodate larger chapters, a campus will look to extension.

However, every chapter gets an equal piece of the "pie", whether that "pie" is 50 women, or 1000 women. That is quota. If after making quota, a sorority has open spaces by being below total (a maximum size for each chapter), they may offer more bids. If chapters are all well above total after formal recruitment, CPHs will look to raising total or extension.