Dear PNMs who dropped out or who did not get a bid.

[KSUViolet06]

^^^Really? Care to elaborate?

I always thought it would be the opposite because of the way NPHC membership intake is structured (as in there's no such thing as an AKA PNM, you don't have New Members, and basically no one is considered a member of an NPHC until they are initiated.)

Nothing gives you the connotation that you're already a member or that you could potentially be one until it actually happens. So I can't see where one has the opportunity to feel say, entitled to be an AKA.

Does that make sense?

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

^^^Really? Care to elaborate?

I always thought it would be the opposite because of the way NPHC membership intake is structured (as in there's no such thing as an AKA PNM, you don't have New Members, and basically no one is considered a member of an NPHC until they are initiated.)

Nothing gives you the connotation that you're already a member or that you could potentially be one until it actually happens. So I can't see where one has the opportunity to feel say, entitled to be an AKA.

Does that make sense?

Yes it makes sense. But you are trying to bring sense to the senseless.

True the term PNM is a term that I would not use for our process the same way you would, but the breakdown and the games are still the same regardless of the structure.

For instance though we don't have the listing, I would say because interested members have it in their heart since they were little (more so with sororities than fraternities from family members, friends, teachers, social leaders) that they are gonna be XYZ that being rejected by XYZ sorority can sometimes cause a firestorm.

When they receive the rejection letter the reactions are still the same especially if they are legacy (again more so in sororities). Just like with you all, it is not the majority but that minority is the most vocal from legacy parents calling the chapter to depression to how could they reject me.

I've seen (not literally, never been invited but the NPHC greek world is small) of girls coming to teas inappropriately, Girls that feel that because they have the grades they are shoo ins, and girls that had in their heart for so long they pretty much feel they are greek, they just need it to be official.

I've witnessed first hand where a girl was rejected from XYZ sorority and her mother being a member of XYZ sorority made it her mission to get that chapter suspended.

Real story (And an episode of As the Sands Burn).

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

I've witnessed first hand where a girl was rejected from XYZ sorority and her mother being a member of XYZ sorority made it her mission to get that chapter suspended.

Real story (And an episode of As the Sands Burn).

I've seen this as well.

If anything the sense of entitlement could be worse because of the role that NPHC groups play in some communities, and the fact that there are 4 NPHC sororities to the NPC's 26.

If a young woman is a legacy to an NPC sorority, it may not impact her life growing up that much, even if her mother is somewhat active. On the other hand, the daughter of an NPHC sorority member will have a much different relationship to her mother's sorority.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

I've seen (not literally, never been invited but the NPHC greek world is small) of girls coming to teas inappropriately, Girls that feel that because they have the grades they are shoo ins, and girls that had in their heart for so long they pretty much feel they are greek, they just need it to be official.

I've witnessed first hand where a girl was rejected from XYZ sorority and her mother being a member of XYZ sorority made it her mission to get that chapter suspended.

pet peeve/

While there is technically no age minimum as long as a college aspirant fits the criteria, our aspirants and applicants are women (or young women) and not girls. Just like NPHC fraternity aspirants and applicants are men (or young men) and not boys. Generally, you all would probably be hesitant to refer to them as boys in such a context.

/pet peeve

[DrPhil]

long lane swerve/

Many aspirants, applicants, and (insert what each NPHC sorority and fraternity calls its pre-initiates) feel entitled to NPHC membership all of the time. They can feel entitled because they are legacies, they know people prior to coming to college, they have friends on the yard and in the chapters, they are highly accomplished, they have excellent grades, they are physically attractive, etc.

Some of these people will make it and others will get rejected. Some of those who are rejected will go on to join other NPHC orgs. That's fine especially considering how the NPHC intake format has changed over the generation(s).

Some NPHC applicants who get rejected do respectfully ask for reconsideration depending on who the decision making body is. I respect those who respectfully ask for reconsideration after getting rejected, even if they do not get reconsideration. Life happens and even those who make the decisions can have to reject people who would otherwise be accepted. I also respect those who keep trying for membership after rejection, even if they are rejected multiple times for whatever reasons. Application eligibility is for a lifetime if you meet the criteria and membership is for a lifetime and that includes all of the rites and rights, privileges, cultural practices, and responsibilities even when you're the oldest member in the crowd.

/long lane swerve