Beanies on Pledges?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Right, because state law and university policies are totally irrelevant, if my GLO says something is okay.

I will be absolutely amazed if there is any state law that makes embarrassing someone hazing.

No one has said state law and university policies are irrelevant. What we have said is hazing policies vary widely (as do hazing laws), so what is relevant are the state laws and university and GLO policies that apply to (general) you. The state laws and unuiversity and GLO policies that apply to others may not be like the ones that apply to you at all.

Like it or not, there are things that we all agree are hazing.

I bet not as many as you think. Like I've mentioned before, under the law of my state, it's not "hazing" unless the "recipient" is actually subjected to physical injury. That leaves out many things that most if not all GLOs would consider hazing.

That is why it fell out of fashion around the same time that universities and/or the legal system started to crack down on hazing.

Can you back up the cause and effect, or is it just speculation? If if that is the reason beanies fell out of fashion, then why did non-Greeks stop wearing them as well?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I will be absolutely amazed if there is any state law that makes embarrassing someone hazing.

Maybe not, but the NPC and NPHC statements on hazing both do.

As I said, it's not black and white. I think most orgs look around, though, and think "what is so important about beanies that we'd risk it?"

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Maybe not, but the NPC and NPHC statements on hazing both do.

Then the matter is settled for the orgs with thos policies. (Maybe, and I'll leave it to someone in an NPHC org to say whether this accurately reflects their policy.)

But the majority of Greek organizations are not affiliated with the NPC and the NPHC.

I think most orgs look around, though, and think "what is so important about beanies that we'd risk it?"

Were beanies even an issue in most orgs? It always seemed like a very campus specific (and non-Greek specific) thing to me.

To be honest, I would guess that what happened to collegiate beanies can pretty clearly be seen in the first lines of Animal House:

Larry (Pinto): Take off that beanie.
Kent (Flounder): We're meant to wear them to homecoming.
Larry: Don't be a fruit, okay?

College students in many places decided they looked juvenile (or worse) and just stopped wearing them.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

As I said, it's not black and white. I think most orgs look around, though, and think "what is so important about beanies that we'd risk it?"

You're right it is not black and white which is why this discussion is happening. The same can apply to requirements like pledge pins.

I would not assume that most GLOs looked around and thought anything pertaining to beanies. There may have been no perceived risk as far as most GLOs were concerned. This may all be post hoc ergo propter hoc.