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08-06-2011, 07:23 PM
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Says the "hyperbolizer".
If I read correctly, one person says 50-100 and that was inside the fair. He was outside the fair in his car.
But it's definitely their socio-economic status, long history of oppression that causes them to do this. The same thing definitely happens in West Virginia.
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You didnt have to give yourself a new nickname for trying to oversell a riot. Supremacy?
Read your article again and find the other quote that references the number "a hundred" for the estimate of rioters. I will admit I oversold what the original guy said, but that was from poor memory after closing the article. Go ahead and slap my hand. He said 300 or 400 people were there. Still far short of a war torn zone, especially considering this other quote:
"I have not seen anything like this in my life.* It was a huge mob, and it was a fight that maybe lasted one to two minutes." Two minutes of Iraq. What a slap in the face.
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08-06-2011, 07:35 PM
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You didnt have to give yourself a new nickname for trying to oversell a riot. Supremacy?
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A mob lynching of a black man (which this appeared, at least according to eyewitnesses, to be attempted murder several times) would certainly be connotated as white supremecists, whether or not it was true. Do you think that Emmett Till's attackers motives were exaggerated?
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Read your article again and find the other quote that references the number "a hundred" for the estimate of rioters. I will admit I oversold what the original guy said, but that was from poor memory after closing the article. Go ahead and slap my hand. He said 300 or 400 people were there. Still far
short of a war torn zone, especially considering this other quote:
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You missed the point.
You said:
"everyone else says more like 100"
I said:
"If I read correctly, one person says 50-100 and that was inside the fair. He was outside the fair in his car."
But I guess you committed to hyperbole twice. One person is not "everyone else".
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08-06-2011, 07:49 PM
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It sounds like these kids were a bunch of thugs, and no one was safe--regardless of race. I'm not sure if they were black "supremecists," but I don't think they were black "supremacists."
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08-06-2011, 08:04 PM
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A mob lynching of a black man (which this appeared, at least according to eyewitnesses, to be attempted murder several times) would certainly be connotated as white supremecists, whether or not it was true. Do you think that Emmett Till's attackers motives were exaggerated?
You missed the point.
You said:
"everyone else says more like 100"
I said:
"If I read correctly, one person says 50-100 and that was inside the fair. He was outside the fair in his car."
But I guess you committed to hyperbole twice. One person is not "everyone else".
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And I said go back and read the article...everyone else did say that. (including someone outside the fair.) It's not hyperbole to quote the article. It is to turn a riot into a race war.
LOL at the appeared to be attempted murder and comparing this to a lynching. So is it Iraq or a lynching. Riots can be scary. Attempted murder is a legal term. Assault may be a little more befitting. Let the DA do the grandstanding.
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08-06-2011, 08:12 PM
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And I said go back and read the article...everyone else did say that. (including someone outside the fair.) It's not hyperbole to quote the article. It is to turn a riot into a race war.
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No on else said that. Quote the article for me. Where exactly does it give a number other than one inside the fair and the veteran?
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08-06-2011, 08:17 PM
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No on else said that. Quote the article for me. Where exactly does it give a number other than one inside the fair and the veteran?
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One woman who asked not to be identified tells us that contrary to some belief, the young people involved in the mob did not go to the rap concert that night.
"The mob of black teenagers involved in the beatings and damage outside of State Fair last night were not there for the MC Hammer concert," said the woman.
"I attended that concert with three of my friends last night and the crowd was mostly white and adult (as are my friends and I). Any kids there seemed to be with parents."
She described what she saw as she left the fair.
"As we came through the exit we saw a white boy lying in the street, in the fetal position right by the traffic light, and coming towards us was tons and tons and black teens – there had to have been over a hundred – in the middle of 84th Street and on the sidewalk headed south," she said.
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Hooked on phonics worked for me! Notice she said over a hundred and not over 300 or 400.
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08-06-2011, 09:54 PM
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A mob lynching of a black man (which this appeared, at least according to eyewitnesses, to be attempted murder several times) would certainly be connotated as white supremecists, whether or not it was true. Do you think that Emmett Till's attackers motives were exaggerated?
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No, because the lynching of Emmet Till was in fact motivated by white supremacy. But not all lynchings are racially motivated, which is irrelevant anyway, as there wasn't any lynching going on in this story.
Instead of trying (and failing) to make these political points, why don't you stick to refusing to affiliate with shanes and telling all kinds of other inconsistent stories about your fraternity membership. At least that's entertaining.
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08-06-2011, 10:22 PM
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No, because the lynching of Emmet Till was in fact motivated by white supremacy. But not all lynchings are racially motivated, which is irrelevant anyway, as there wasn't any lynching going on in this story.
Instead of trying (and failing) to make these political points, why don't you stick to refusing to affiliate with shanes and telling all kinds of other inconsistent stories about your fraternity membership. At least that's entertaining.
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08-06-2011, 11:16 PM
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No, because the lynching of Emmet Till was in fact motivated by white supremacy. But not all lynchings are racially motivated, which is irrelevant anyway, as there wasn't any lynching going on in this story.
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There wasn't any lynchings because it was stopped. Attempted murder is still attempting murder. Would it have been any less acceptable if the lynchers had nearly killed Emmett, but didn't? That's what happened here.
This was a mass attempted lynching. It seems fairly evident from the story and from other eye-witness testimony from other sources that it was indeed racially based.
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Overall, though, it's the bigness of the car that counts the most. Because when something bad happens in a really big car – accidentally speeding through the middle of a gang of unruly young people who have been taunting you in a drive-in restaurant, for instance – it happens very far away – way out at the end of your fenders. It's like a civil war in Africa; you know, it doesn't really concern you too much. - P.J. O'Rourke
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08-06-2011, 11:38 PM
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There wasn't any lynchings because it was stopped. Attempted murder is still attempting murder. Would it have been any less acceptable if the lynchers had nearly killed Emmett, but didn't? That's what happened here.
This was a mass attempted lynching. It seems fairly evident from the story and from other eye-witness testimony from other sources that it was indeed racially based.
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08-06-2011, 11:48 PM
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This was a mass attempted lynching. It seems fairly evident from the story and from other eye-witness testimony from other sources that it was indeed racially based.
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Who's being hyperbolic now? (As if "black supremacists" wasn't hyperbolic enough.)
Lynching is more than mob violence and more than murder. Lynching is not necessarily racially-based (though certainly in this country, most lynchings have been racially-based, being used by whites to try to "control" minority groups). From the Encyclopedia Britannica: "lynching, a form of violence in which a mob, under the pretext of administering justice without trial, executes a presumed offender, often after inflicting torture and corporal mutilation."
So unless you can point out to me where the perpetrators of this alleged "mass attempted lynching" could be said to be attempting to administer their own justice to those they believed to be guilty of something, then no -- there's nothing "fairly evident" about it at all.
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08-07-2011, 10:19 AM
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This was a mass attempted lynching.
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No. No. NO. No and No. That was NOT what this was. It was a RIOT, not a mass race-motivated attempted lynching.
There were white people involved in the rioting too. As were there people of every race. In fact, the white people started the whole damn thing.
No one was attempting to lynch anyone.
Honestly.
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08-07-2011, 11:13 AM
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No. No. NO. No and No. That was NOT what this was. It was a RIOT, not a mass race-motivated attempted lynching.
There were white people involved in the rioting too. As were there people of every race. In fact, the white people started the whole damn thing.
No one was attempting to lynch anyone.
Honestly.
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08-07-2011, 11:21 AM
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08-08-2011, 04:11 AM
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There were white people involved in the rioting too. As were there people of every race.
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Proof?
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