Casey Anthony Trial

[agzg]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

I know?! Who gets sick or emotional about a little precious baby girl being suffocated, bagged, and thrown in a swamp by the person who was supposed to protect her with her life?!

Who gets so emotionally invested in the outcome of a trial where the prosecution FUCKED THINGS UP that they feel sick or like crying, or blame the jury?

It's not the jury's fault. They did what they were supposed to do. Now it's up to Nancy Grace to further water down the facts and get on her high horse about how only kids with a "bad mother" are in any sort of danger.

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by agzg

Who gets so emotionally invested in the outcome of a trial where the prosecution FUCKED THINGS UP that they feel sick or like crying, or blame the jury?

It's not the jury's fault. They did what they were supposed to do. Now it's up to Nancy Grace to further water down the facts and get on her high horse about how only kids with a "bad mother" are in any sort of danger.

No, they just want to get home! Can't sit through the penalty phase, one of them has a cruise. Forget the little girl.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

No, they just want to get home! Can't sit through the penalty phase, one of them has a cruise. Forget the little girl.

Whatever. If you really believe that there are people out there who are more worried about getting to their cruise than taking their positions as jurors seriously, your crazy. All it would take is one person to complain, and that person would be kicked off the jury in favor of an alternate. Do you think seriously that a juror would risk the wrath of the public by letting her off if they really didn't think they couldn't convict? Seriously...a cruise?!

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Whatever. If you really believe that there are people out there who are more worried about getting to their cruise than taking their positions as jurors seriously, your crazy. All it would take is one person to complain, and that person would be kicked off the jury in favor of an alternate. Do you think seriously that a juror would risk the wrath of the public by letting her off if they really didn't think they couldn't convict? Seriously...a cruise?!

Nope, i think they all want to get home. The cruise juror is just one of them. They asked no questions, asked not to review anything. Nothing. Miscarriage of justice.

[AOII Angel]

It's always nice to have a discussion with someone who has made up their mind based on emotion rather than logic. agzg, I totally agree with you. One thing about all this, too, is that I'd rather see 100 Casey Anthony's walk free than to see 1 innocent person locked up. (Feel free to insert the name of any person you think may be guilty of some crime.) We have enough innocent people behind bars as it is. It's not the way our Forefathers imagined our legal system. They put in the jury of our peers to make sure that no innocent people were sent to prison. Justice doesn't always feel so warm and fuzzy.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

No, they just want to get home! Can't sit through the penalty phase, one of them has a cruise. Forget the little girl.

Oh, bite me. You and I both know that Nancy Grace in particular but most of the media has been hyping this whole case up since the day Caylee was reported missing.

Why would folks who live thousands of miles away get so worked up about a trial in which they A. don't know the victim or the defendant B. don't live in the same state or even time zone as the victim or defendant or C. aren't in the courtroom, don't have the full story about what happened in the courtroom, and don't have the full story about what happened in the jury room? What's the point of having a physical reaction to that? And then posting about it on facebook?

Is it terrible that Caylee died? Sure. But the jury was able to find reasonable doubt as to Casey's guilt. They did their job. It's an example of the justice system working - not that it's broken. If we tried every potential criminal in the court of public opinion, and it carried jail time, we'd be fucked as a nation. Completely and totally fucked.

No, though, because Casey's white, middle class, and pretty, she should have been a "Good Mom" because after all, that's the only way white, middle class, pretty women know how to act! But because Caylee died, and she had issues (and yes, I think a lot of her lying and partying and whatever was stemming from issues), she was a "Bad Mother" - and everyone knows "Bad Mothers" are not only guilty, but beyond a reasonable doubt, and how dare the jury find anything different when they follow the instructions of the court?

I don't pretend to know whether she did it or not, and honestly the only people that do are those directly tied to the crimes, but I think the jury did their job and don't deserve to be vilified. If the case was lost, it's either the prosecution's fault, or the defense's very good job.

And yes, it certainly helps my position that there are thousands of kids who go missing every year that we never hear about. Who's getting emotional about those kids?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by agzg

Why would folks who live thousands of miles get so worked up about a trial in which they A. don't know the victim or the defendant B. don't live in the same state or even time zone as the victim or defendant or C. aren't in the courtroom, don't have the full story about what happened in the courtroom, and don't have the full story about what happened in the jury room? What's the point of having a physical reaction to that? And then posting about it on facebook?

Cognitive dissonance, with a side of advertising their own quality to others.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by agzg

And yes, it certainly helps my position that there are thousands of kids who go missing every year that we never hear about. Who's getting emotional about those kids?

Those other kids aren't cute enough and (insert characteristics that appeal to the mainstream) enough.

Ditto what KSUViolet said about what "not guilty" means.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

No, they just want to get home! Can't sit through the penalty phase, one of them has a cruise. Forget the little girl.

If you believe that this is what happened, you should lock yourself in the trunk of a car. First, no chance the other jurors would go along with it. Second, all research indicates the most important driving force for jurors is getting the answer right - it is taken as seriously as possible. You are NOT the only one who "cares about that little girl" - you are not a unique snowflake.

Stop watching stupid people jabber on TV and pick up some reading material not by Grisham - U of Nebraska has an entire department dedicated to jury research, start there.

[BetteDavisEyes]

Originally Posted by agzg

Who gets so emotionally invested in the outcome of a trial where the prosecution FUCKED THINGS UP that they feel sick or like crying, or blame the jury?

I don't believe the prosecution fucked things up at all. I think they did a great job but obviously the jury (much like in the OJ case) didn't see it that way.

As for getting emotionally invested, I don't see why it should bother you so much. Some people get emotionally invested in soap operas, movies, TV shows, books etc. What's the difference between those & these? Those are make-believe, this is real. I show real emotions (sadness, grief, happiness, anger etc) when I see a great movie or read a great book. This is no different. I may not live in Florida (hell, I live on the other side of the country in California) but that doesn't stop me from feeling for her & the entire situation surrounding her death.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes

I don't believe the prosecution fucked things up at all. I think they did a great job but obviously the jury (much like in the OJ case) didn't see it that way.

As for getting emotionally invested, I don't see why it should bother you so much. Some people get emotionally invested in soap operas, movies, TV shows, books etc. What's the difference between those & these? Those are make-believe, this is real. I show real emotions (sadness, grief, happiness, anger etc) when I see a great movie or read a great book. This is no different. I may not live in Florida (hell, I live on the other side of the country in California) but that doesn't stop me from feeling for her & the entire situation surrounding her death.

There's a difference between "feeling for someone" (I'd like to think that none of us are heartless enough not to) or even having "real emotions" and having a physical and strong emotional reaction (feeling sick? crying? as if this happened to you personally? and then posting about it on facebook?).

This is just my opinion, of course, but folks like that seem to have drank a little too much of the Nancy Grace kool-aid. What about the other thousands of kids who go missing every year? If everyone felt as strongly about those kids as they do about this one kid, they'd never get out of bed. Why this case above all others?

It bothers me because there are millions of kids in the world who need help, but everyone's crying over one little girl. How many are involved in Boys and Girls clubs? How many donate to children's charities? Certainly not enough. But everyone can be a slacktivist on facebook.

Also: The jury did not make or break this case. They never make or break a case. The prosecution did. I'd say the defense put forth an awesome case, but the burden of proof is on the prosecution and they did not meet that burden. If that's not the prosecution messing it up, what is it?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by agzg

There's a difference between "feeling for someone" (I'd like to think that none of us are heartless enough not to) or even having "real emotions" and having a physical and strong emotional reaction (feeling sick? crying? as if this happened to you personally? and then posting about it on facebook?).

This is just my opinion, of course, but folks like that seem to have drank a little too much of the Nancy Grace kool-aid. What about the other thousands of kids who go missing every year? If everyone felt as strongly about those kids as they do about this one kid, they'd never get out of bed. Why this case above all others?

It bothers me because there are millions of kids in the world who need help, but everyone's crying over one little girl. How many are involved in Boys and Girls clubs? How many donate to children's charities? Certainly not enough. But everyone can be a slacktivist on facebook.

Also: The jury did not make or break this case. They never make or break a case. The prosecution did. I'd say the defense put forth an awesome case, but the burden of proof is on the prosecution and they did not meet that burden. If that's not the prosecution messing it up, what is it?

Amen.

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by agzg

There's a difference between "feeling for someone" (I'd like to think that none of us are heartless enough not to) or even having "real emotions" and having a physical and strong emotional reaction (feeling sick? crying? as if this happened to you personally? and then posting about it on facebook?).

I cry at the end of sad movies, even though they are entirely fake, and sometimes post about it on fb. Does that insult you or something? I don't know kids that are on tv for a st judes commercial, but that jerks my tears too. Since when are you the judge of what people get to be upset about?

[agzg]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

I cry at the end of sad movies, even though they are entirely fake, and sometimes post about it on fb. Does that insult you or something? I don't know kids that are on tv for a st judes commercial, but that jerks my tears too. Since when are you the judge of what people get to be upset about?

Who are you to judge a jury that listened to the facts as they were presented and did their jobs by carrying out the law? They followed their instructions. Saying this is a "miscarriage of justice" implies that they didn't.

Instead of being such a passive aggressive bitch all over the boards how about you use some logic and reason in your arguments? And yes, I am going to pass judgement and call you a drama queen, because that's exactly how you're acting.

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by agzg

Instead of being such a passive aggressive bitch all over the boards how about you use some logic and reason in your arguments? And yes, I am going to pass judgement and call you a drama queen, because that's exactly how you're acting.

Oh my, I am SO INSULTED!