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Old 06-04-2011, 01:39 PM
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I agree (at least in part) with what the posters above me are saying (33girl, als, Gusteau) - so much of a girl's experience joining a sorority as an upperclassmen would depend on the girl (outgoing or shy), the school (traditional or non-traditional student body), the chapter (large or small/housed or unhoused), and the pledge class (all freshman save the one upperclassmen or decent mix). It isn't safe to make generalizations about how that girl will feel about her experience.

Having said that, in defense of AGDee, I didn't get the impression she was saying that a girl who joined as an upperclassmen wouldn't enjoy their experience or love their sorority - just that they wouldn't have quite the same experience or rather as much of that experience as a freshman, so they COULD come away feeling disappointed.

I don't think this means they shouldn't rush - just that they should know that depending on all the factors mentioned, there are things they MIGHT miss out on that a typical freshman wouldn't, and they need to be aware of that or they may find themselves frustrated.

As Gusteau pointed out, we can only go from our own experience, and I can only go from my daughter's. From her perspective, I understand completely what AGDee is saying. She loves her sorority and she loves her sisters (most of the time), but when she joined she was a second quarter sophomore by credits and a junior by age. When she finishes school, she will have been there 2 1/2 years.

She's been involved and she's held a leadership position. She's made good friends. She plans on staying involved with her sorority after college. But does she feel like she would have had a more complete experience had she joined as a freshman? Yes.

She knows that there are things she missed and will miss out on. She's getting to live in next year, but it will only be for 2 quarters and last year she didn't think she would get to live in ever. She regrets not getting to live in a full year, and she would have regretted it more had she not gotten to live in at all.

As I said, she's made good friends, but she didn't find them immediately, and she would like to have another year and a half to spend with them to really solidify those friendships.

She loved her leadership position this year, but there are several others she would like to have tried in addition to it (she would like to have run for a position on Panhellenic), and there just won't be time to do that.

And yes, there were times (not many, but some) when she felt like she was paying a lot of dues for some significant experiences she would never have (living in primarily).

Again, she loves her sorority, but she does wish she had more time with it. Granted, maybe she would have ended up like one of the freshman 33girl mentions - chomping at the bit to get out and get away from everyone, but it doesn't feel that way to her right now.

She had a really good experience - a lot of great things came out of it for her, but it hasn't been quite the same experience it would have been if she had started out as a freshman.

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Old 06-05-2011, 05:09 PM
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She had a really good experience - a lot of great things came out of it for her, but it hasn't been quite the same experience it would have been if she had started out as a freshman.
Do I wish I'd had more time with my chapter? Hell to the mutha****in' yes! BUT people will have regrets about various things all their lives. That doesn't mean it's not worth living.

I was still new member of the year because I was more mature, sensible, and involved than any other new member. Why? Because I knew what I was getting myself into and the expectations that were on me as a new member. I also expected to have a bigger involvement as an alumna because my collegiate years were short (2.5 years).

I value the time I spent as an active collegiate and I wish there was more active encouragement and emphasis on alumna life because many collegiate women simply don't realize that you don't die when you graduate and that is the point of college. I give more back to my chapter than 99% of the alumnae we've graduated simply because I care about my chapter and my organization. There are very few of us in the trenches giving back at my chapter and I'm working desperately to correct this and have been able to improve things through alumnae programming this year.

I'm GLAD the my school sees value in older members. I didn't go to community college, but many of my pledge sisters and women before them and after them did and still do in mine and many chapters on my campus. They have proven to be some of the greatest assets. I can't change SEC campuses. But I can say that when sororities began they were catered to non-traditional students (women in college) and I'm glad campuses like SEC are far and few between. While they are valuable chapters, they are no more valuable than any other and some of the traditions that many practice (like racism & agism [yeah i said it] among many others) need to die. I'm over them and they are not the end all be all dictators of sorority life. PLEASE.
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Old 06-05-2011, 05:36 PM
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I'm over them and they are not the end all be all dictators of sorority life. PLEASE.
I don't think anybody was implying that they were.
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Old 06-05-2011, 05:41 PM
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I don't think anybody was implying that they were.
Not here necessarily, but really there are some serious SEC/Southern elitists that show that side now and again. With their ways and their traditions being the 'true' or 'traditional' ways and all that.

And sometimes that seriously skews the answers that people get here as the board as a group seems to revert to that 'hardcore' standard.

That's my perspective on it anyway.
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Old 06-05-2011, 06:05 PM
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Not here necessarily, but really there are some serious SEC/Southern elitists that show that side now and again. With their ways and their traditions being the 'true' or 'traditional' ways and all that.
Really? Where?
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Old 06-05-2011, 06:25 PM
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Really? Where?
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Old 06-05-2011, 06:27 PM
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??? not an answer to my question!
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Old 06-05-2011, 06:35 PM
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[QUOTE=BabyPiNK_FL;2060770]Do I wish I'd had more time with my chapter? Hell to the mutha****in' yes! BUT people will have regrets about various things all their lives. That doesn't mean it's not worth living.

I agree, and I didn't mean to imply that she felt like it wasn't worth living. Like you, she thinks that along with the cons, there have been some advantages to pledging as an upperclassmen (or sophomore precisely).

I just feel that AGDee had a point in saying that there are some disadvantages as well, depending on the girl, the chapter, and the school that an upperclass PNM might need to take into account. There are some things about the collegiate sorority experience that she thinks she missed out on and will miss out on, but she still feels like its been a great experience and totally worth it in the long run.

She's at a school in the northwest, so she knows zero about the SEC experience or what that tradition is like. All she has as a comparison are the freshman in her own pledge class at her pretty non-competitive school where upperclassmen PNM's aren't the norm - but they aren't an endangered species either.

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