application/resume question

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Kappamd

^^^As someone who has gone through the med school admissions process with my affiliation on my application, I respectfully disagree. I was asked about my involvement in Kappa at every interview. Medical schools are looking for well-rounded students above anything else. Yes, those accomplishments you mentioned would be impressive and helpful, but it takes more the pure academics to be accepted to medical school.

I absolutely agree with you. I put all of my AOII extracurriculars on my application and would again. There is another area for scholarly activity such as research. Grad school is a different beast so if you don't know about medical school admissions, don't comment about it. People assume that having success at a social level doesn't factor into medical school admissions, but who doesn't want a physician who can empathize with them or at the very least seem like a normal person?

Thanks to those of you who contributed positively to the discussion without being ignorant and assuming I am considering resigning because "I can't handle the work". I would like to clarify that the fraternal obligations and responsibilities themselves are absolutely no problem at all and I actually enjoy them, I just don't have the energy to deal with another year of drama. I'm sure at least one of you out there belonged to a house where the brotherhood/sisterhood was absolutely divided and half the house despised the other half. I've tried for years to fix the house as best as I can, often to the detriment of my academics (I only have a 3.81 GPA as opposed to the 4.0 I should have). But people consistently choose to put petty differences and jealousies in front of brotherhood year in and year out so that is why I am considering resigning, not because I am some lazy bum who can't handle my work.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by jacobqb

Thanks to those of you who contributed positively to the discussion without being ignorant and assuming I am considering resigning because "I can't handle the work". I would like to clarify that the fraternal obligations and responsibilities themselves are absolutely no problem at all and I actually enjoy them, I just don't have the energy to deal with another year of drama. I'm sure at least one of you out there belonged to a house where the brotherhood/sisterhood was absolutely divided and half the house despised the other half. I've tried for years to fix the house as best as I can, often to the detriment of my academics (I only have a 3.81 GPA as opposed to the 4.0 I should have). But people consistently choose to put petty differences and jealousies in front of brotherhood year in and year out so that is why I am considering resigning, not because I am some lazy bum who can't handle my work.

You're a quitter so certainly you could have read our responses and just gone away.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

...if you don't know about medical school admissions, don't comment about it.

ROARRRRRRR!

LOL.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by jacobqb

Thanks to those of you who contributed positively to the discussion without being ignorant and assuming I am considering resigning because "I can't handle the work".

Hey, people can only respond to what you say, which was "I am going into my senior year and am relatively sure that I just don't have the energy to put another year into it so I think I won't be returning to the house" and "I am not the most popular member due to my loud and confident personality I don't stand a chance of getting voted to remain a member if i move out hahaha." Assuming you didn't want to put in the work and that you're "that" member of the chapter was fairly resonable based on what you said.

Well, unlike you, Dr. Phil, I have class and chose to respond to your laughable statements in a dignified manner instead of an ignorant one like yourself. You do not know me (and I thank God for the fact I do not know someone such as yourself), and therefore making snap judgements about my personality with no knowledge of who I am or the situation I am unfortunately subjected to simply reveals your ignorance and petulance. Don't bother replying; I will absolutely still discuss this topic with those who can help me out, but I've wasted enough time dealing with a child like you.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by jacobqb

Well, unlike you, Dr. Phil, I have class and chose to respond to your laughable statements in a dignified manner instead of an ignorant one like yourself. You do not know me (and I thank God for the fact I do not know someone such as yourself), and therefore making snap judgements about my personality with no knowledge of who I am or the situation I am unfortunately subjected to simply reveals your ignorance and petulance. Don't bother replying; I will absolutely still discuss this topic with those who can help me out, but I've wasted enough time dealing with a child like you.

People with class never claim to have class.

And people with class would never post what you just posted.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by jacobqb

Well, unlike you, Dr. Phil, I have class and chose to respond to your laughable statements in a dignified manner instead of an ignorant one like yourself. You do not know me (and I thank God for the fact I do not know someone such as yourself), and therefore making snap judgements about my personality with no knowledge of who I am or the situation I am unfortunately subjected to simply reveals your ignorance and petulance. Don't bother replying; I will absolutely still discuss this topic with those who can help me out, but I've wasted enough time dealing with a child like you.

How about you concentrate on the tasks at hand instead of trying to come at people who may be reading your graduate school applications. Mmmmkay, bye.

[LatinaAlumna]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

so if you don't know about medical school admissions, don't comment about it.

...and if you don't know how GC posters might be connected to the medical school admissions process, don't pop off.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by jacobqb

Well, unlike you, Dr. Phil, I have class and chose to respond to your laughable statements in a dignified manner instead of an ignorant one like yourself. You do not know me (and I thank God for the fact I do not know someone such as yourself), and therefore making snap judgements about my personality with no knowledge of who I am or the situation I am unfortunately subjected to simply reveals your ignorance and petulance. Don't bother replying; I will absolutely still discuss this topic with those who can help me out, but I've wasted enough time dealing with a child like you.

The problem is, you didn't say anything more than, "I don't have the energy," and "they probably won't vote for me to stay, hahaha," so how are we supposed to know what your "situation" is?

It's like saying, "Well, I flunked out of school, and I don't feel like doing anything anymore," without mentioning that your house burned down and half of your family died because of it. You take out the latter, and you just sound like a lazy piece of you-know-what.

The more you leave out, the more unhelpful answers you'll receive.

That is... assuming that you DO actually have some circumstances that are causing you to want to leave.. for a legitimate reason.

[DrPhil]

Those circumstances really don't matter. Everyone has circumstances and considers themselves to be exceptions to the rule. Imagine how awesome life would be if our collegiate and alumnae/alumni/graduate chapters never got on our nerves or took more time than we had available. The OP made a conscious decision to disaffiliate and to share that info with us for a rather silly question, therefore...

...we wouldn't be typing about it if the OP had not created this thread. If the OP gets into a graduate program, he needs to learn now that he can choose to share info or keep info to himself. Whichever is his choice, but he can't stop people from receiving and responding once he releases the info. Coming after the fact and saying "you all don't knowwwwwwwwwww...cry...cry..." means nothing to most people, definitely myself included.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I absolutely agree with you. I put all of my AOII extracurriculars on my application and would again. There is another area for scholarly activity such as research. Grad school is a different beast so if you don't know about medical school admissions, don't comment about it. People assume that having success at a social level doesn't factor into medical school admissions, but who doesn't want a physician who can empathize with them or at the very least seem like a normal person?

The problem with Greek involvement on any application or resume is that it may very well be read by someone who has a negative opinion of Greeks and Greek Life. I would never put it on a resume myself, given my field, but I think that someone considering it should factor in:

1) What are the odds that your resume will be read by someone anti-Greek? This can depend on your field, your region of the country, etc. For medical school, I'd consider putting affiliation on an application to a school with big Greek life to be less risky than putting it on a school without it, or even one where there had been high-profile RM issues within the past year.

2) What offices have you held? Being president, philanthropy chair, or scholarship chair is probably most impressive to a non-greek. You and I both know that recruitment chair and new member educator are critical positions, but a "layman" just may not care.

3) What does your resume look like without it? If you have nine other activities you are trying to scrunch on, do you really need number ten? If you were just a member of a GLO, compared to an officer in other orgs, you want to emphasize those instead.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

ROARRRRRRR!

LOL.

I thought you'd enjoy that!

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

The problem with Greek involvement on any application or resume is that it may very well be read by someone who has a negative opinion of Greeks and Greek Life. I would never put it on a resume myself, given my field, but I think that someone considering it should factor in:

1) What are the odds that your resume will be read by someone anti-Greek? This can depend on your field, your region of the country, etc. For medical school, I'd consider putting affiliation on an application to a school with big Greek life to be less risky than putting it on a school without it, or even one where there had been high-profile RM issues within the past year.

2) What offices have you held? Being president, philanthropy chair, or scholarship chair is probably most impressive to a non-greek. You and I both know that recruitment chair and new member educator are critical positions, but a "layman" just may not care.

3) What does your resume look like without it? If you have nine other activities you are trying to scrunch on, do you really need number ten? If you were just a member of a GLO, compared to an officer in other orgs, you want to emphasize those instead.

I would sure hope that someone attempting to apply to medical school had done more to be involved in college than just be a layman member of their GLO. The idea that you have to be active and well rounded is pretty established. I would agree that if that's all you have on your GLO resume and you have tons of other officer experience in campus organizations, leave it off...but that's not the information we were provided. If you have been very active as an officer in your GLO, absolutely include it. Leadership experience is a definite plus on your med school application. I also doubt the importance of RM issues on the application of qualified applicants. It doesn't work that way. BTW, I did not go to school at a Greek heavy school. Despite being from LSU med school, it is NOT on the LSU campus in Baton Rouge. One school is in New Orleans, and the other is in Shreveport (where I went incidentally) the home of very few collegiate Greek chapters.

[als463]

Originally Posted by jacobqb

Well, unlike you, Dr. Phil, I have class and chose to respond to your laughable statements in a dignified manner instead of an ignorant one like yourself. You do not know me (and I thank God for the fact I do not know someone such as yourself), and therefore making snap judgements about my personality with no knowledge of who I am or the situation I am unfortunately subjected to simply reveals your ignorance and petulance. Don't bother replying; I will absolutely still discuss this topic with those who can help me out, but I've wasted enough time dealing with a child like you.

You mention wanting to quit and not being liked by many of your brothers (enough for them to vote in favor of you staying) so....that equates to you being a QUITTER and possibly a JERK! That was pretty easy!

Sounds like a Doctor I would want!