Before You Found a New Sorority

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Kaorin_Kanoe

Don't curse at me, Rude Ass Bitch. You have no idea what my sisters go through on a daily basis trying to get girls to to join our sorority. I was only asking a damn question so that I could help my sisters. Who said I was using them? And you call yourself a moderator? Fuck you and fuck this website.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17eSUnQ-_ek

If your chapter colonized with KBG only to stay on/get on campus, and are willing to dump them at the drop of a hat for an NPC group, that pretty much is the definition of "using."

If you as an individual don't like the fact that your sorority is non-NPC, and are using it as an excuse for poor rush results, you probably need to resign as soon as possible.

xoxo,
Rude Ass Bitch

[tosfadKBG]

Hello,

I just wanted to clarify what she meant. We weren't using KBG to get on campus, we were a campus recognized organization before we were KBG. At the time, our founders did seek national status, but at the time did not have the requirements to become an NPC organization (obviously.) They sought recognition by another NPC organization, but that also didn't work out. All our founders wanted was national recognition with a sorority that held similar ideals. Then they found Kappa Beta Gamma. The #1 reason why girls at our school don't want to join us is because because they know we're not an NPC organization on our campus, as opposed to DZ, AST, and ASA (who just came to our campus a year ago). While we love our chapter, and we all worked hard to get where we are, our time on our campus is questionable. While I'm not personally sure about the idea of being absorbed, I can understand her frustration.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by tosfadKBG

Hello,

I just wanted to clarify what she meant. We weren't using KBG to get on campus, we were a campus recognized organization before we were KBG. At the time, our founders did seek national status, but at the time did not have the requirements to become an NPC organization (obviously.) They sought recognition by another NPC organization, but that also didn't work out. All our founders wanted was national recognition with a sorority that held similar ideals. Then they found Kappa Beta Gamma. The #1 reason why girls at our school don't want to join us is because because they know we're not an NPC organization on our campus, as opposed to DZ, AST, and ASA (who just came to our campus a year ago). While we love our chapter, and we all worked hard to get where we are, our time on our campus is questionable. While I'm not personally sure about the idea of being absorbed, I can understand her frustration.

Seems like you're putting your chapter so far above your organization that you can't even see it anymore. Although not NPC, KBG is national, no? And, as such, has organizational ideals and processes. While I think chapter is important (especially on the collegiate level), it's not the be-all-end-all of greek life.

Having a tough time recruiting =/= "ZOMG THIS ORG SUCKS LETS FIND A NEW ONE!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!"

NPC chapters that are having a tough time recruiting (and there are tons of them) can't just switch organizations at the drop of a hat - they either improve their recruiting or are closed, and the members can never join another sorority again (effectively). You guys should possibly consider what that means.

[tosfadKBG]

Originally Posted by agzg

Seems like you're putting your chapter so far above your organization that you can't even see it anymore. Although not NPC, KBG is national, no? And, as such, has organizational ideals and processes. While I think chapter is important (especially on the collegiate level), it's not the be-all-end-all of greek life.

Having a tough time recruiting =/= "ZOMG THIS ORG SUCKS LETS FIND A NEW ONE!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!"

NPC chapters that are having a tough time recruiting (and there are tons of them) can't just switch organizations at the drop of a hat - they either improve their recruiting or are closed, and the members can never join another sorority again (effectively). You guys should possibly consider what that means.

I understand that. Like I said, I wasn't sure about the whole seeking absorption idea, I was just saying how I can understand her frustration. I wouldn't be too quick to jump on the NPC boat just yet. We have enough chapters now to join NPC, but we need to wait two years or something like that (after the last chapter was installed) to apply for NPC affiliation. But no, I agree, our founders and alumni wouldn't be very happy if we were to get absorbed. I get that. Don't attack me

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by tosfadKBG

Don't attack me

Never happened.

[DrPhil]

LOL.

Wait...is this a serious thread?

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Gusteau

And none for agzg.

You go Gusteau!

Originally Posted by tosfadKBG

I understand that. Like I said, I wasn't sure about the whole seeking absorption idea, I was just saying how I can understand her frustration. I wouldn't be too quick to jump on the NPC boat just yet. We have enough chapters now to join NPC, but we need to wait two years or something like that (after the last chapter was installed) to apply for NPC affiliation. But no, I agree, our founders and alumni wouldn't be very happy if we were to get absorbed. I get that. Don't attack me

I'm not attacking you - actually this is as nice as I've been to crazypants people on GC in a while - I'm just saying - changing orgs isn't necessarily the solution to your problem.

If the members are lazy as K_K suggests, they're going to be lazy members of an NPC chapter. If you have problems like this now, it's unlikely that an NPC would be willing to absorb you just to close you down.

It's not a complete solution, but a good way to get the ball rolling would be to find the things that motivate your sisters. Reward them for working hard by having a spa day, or something fun to do after. Make things fun for them, instead of stressful. Get them all to read I Heart Recruitment (book club style if you have to). Part of the problem with motivating members of small chapters is that it's just so stressful to deal with. Find a way to mitigate that.

Set realistic goals that challenge the chapter but don't beat them. Things like "talk to one new non-member outside of class per week." Take the rejection in stride and move on to the next.

You know what I heard as an active? "I don't want to join Alpha Gamma Delta because they're all fat." That became "I don't want to join Alpha Gamma Delta because they're all stuck up bitches" in my last year as a collegian. Of course none of it was true but it was what those girls thought. I can't hate them for not getting how awesome my organization is, and most of them found happy places elsewhere.

And get K_K off the internet. Girl needs to take a pill.

Originally Posted by 33girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17eSUnQ-_ek

If your chapter colonized with KBG only to stay on/get on campus, and are willing to dump them at the drop of a hat for an NPC group, that pretty much is the definition of "using."

If you as an individual don't like the fact that your sorority is non-NPC, and are using it as an excuse for poor rush results, you probably need to resign as soon as possible.

xoxo,
Rude Ass Bitch

Maaaaaaan, get your dumbass video outta here!

1) My sorority had been local years before they picked KBG. And don't bring my other sisters into this because like I said from the beginning, I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW! I mean, Phi Mu came to our school last year with the intention of colonizing. But we're still here as KBG so we're not using anyone.

2) You're making up things that aren't even there. What organization is going to colonize with my sisters just because one person wants it? You probably come from some sorority with like 150 girls in your cutesy sorority house and Barbie dream cars. Bitch, outta my face. I work hard for my girls and I want them to have what rightly belongs to them. People who are already sitting under the big beach umbrella that is NPC wouldn't understand. Isn't your job as a moderator to make sure that I get my questions answered? All I wanted was a simple question answered. So thanks for nothing, Rude Ass Bitch.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Kaorin_Kanoe

Maaaaaaan, get your dumbass video outta here!

1) My sorority had been local years before they picked KBG. And don't bring my other sisters into this because like I said from the beginning, I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW! I mean, Phi Mu came to our school last year with the intention of colonizing. But we're still here as KBG so we're not using anyone.

2) You're making up things that aren't even there. What organization is going to colonize with my sisters just because one person wants it? You probably come from some sorority with like 150 girls in your cutesy sorority house and Barbie dream cars. Bitch, outta my face. I work hard for my girls and I want them to have what rightly belongs to them. People who are already sitting under the big beach umbrella that is NPC wouldn't understand. Isn't your job as a moderator to make sure that I get my questions answered? All I wanted was a simple question answered. So thanks for nothing, Rude Ass Bitch.

LOL

I kind of think she actually was asking.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Kaorin_Kanoe

Maaaaaaan, get your dumbass video outta here!

1) My sorority had been local years before they picked KBG. And don't bring my other sisters into this because like I said from the beginning, I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW! I mean, Phi Mu came to our school last year with the intention of colonizing. But we're still here as KBG so we're not using anyone.

2) You're making up things that aren't even there. What organization is going to colonize with my sisters just because one person wants it? You probably come from some sorority with like 150 girls in your cutesy sorority house and Barbie dream cars. Bitch, outta my face. I work hard for my girls and I want them to have what rightly belongs to them. People who are already sitting under the big beach umbrella that is NPC wouldn't understand. Isn't your job as a moderator to make sure that I get my questions answered? All I wanted was a simple question answered. So thanks for nothing, Rude Ass Bitch.

There are so many ROFLWAFFLES in this post I don't even know where to begin.

My job as a moderator is to moderate specific forums...not to help you find a way to dump your sorority for something brighter and shinier.

Phi Mu was going to colonize with another local sorority. It had NOTHING to do with your local or KBG.

"What rightly belongs to them"? What the heck does that mean?

I'm sorry you have issues with girls wanting an NPC, but for lack of a better way to put it...you (your sisters who chose to colonize with KBG you) made your bed, so lie in it. Perhaps they should have done a little more research and held out for an NPC group. That doesn't mean it's cool to dump KBG though. It's not. They are a national sorority even if they're not NPC. (You might want to ask the school to take that little asterisk off the website...it's blatantly discriminatory).

You are TOTALLY right about the Barbie dream cars and giant gorgeous house though!!! Now it's time for me to go tan and then figure out which Prada purse to carry tomorrow.

[tosfadKBG]

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[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Kaorin_Kanoe

I work hard for my girls and I want them to have what rightly belongs to them. People who are already sitting under the big beach umbrella that is NPC wouldn't understand.

Ahem. If I may interject... I'm in a small, national sorority whose chapters range from around 2-10 members each. If you don't want to be a member of your organization anymore, don't be. But, don't "blame" your organization's non-NPC status for your lack of interest.

If a woman wants to join an NPC organization, then she probably shouldn't look into your sorority and end up disappointed. If you aren't finding interested women, it's because you're not looking hard enough, representing your organization proudly enough, and/or personally connecting with women who might be interested.

Based on your attitude, I wouldn't want to be your sister.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Ahem. If I may interject...

Based on your attitude, I wouldn't want to be your sister.

Aw, c'mon Jeni - who wouldn't want a heapin' helping of THAT?

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Ahem. If I may interject... I'm in a small, national sorority whose chapters range from around 2-10 members each. If you don't want to be a member of your organization anymore, don't be. But, don't "blame" your organization's non-NPC status for your lack of interest.

If a woman wants to join an NPC organization, then she probably shouldn't look into your sorority and end up disappointed. If you aren't finding interested women, it's because you're not looking hard enough, representing your organization proudly enough, and/or personally connecting with women who might be interested.

Based on your attitude, I wouldn't want to be your sister.

Should I cry that you don't want to be my sister. Trust me, the feeling is mutual. I'm tired of people asking me that if I wanted to be NPC then why did I colonize with KBG. I. AM. NOT. A. FOUNDING. SISTER. And you have some nerve saying that we're not looking hard enough. You don't know what goes on on my campus that prohibits from getting the results that we would like. My sister wear our letters everyday even though we're blatantly outnumbered. I don't think you know what it's like to have people say to your face that they're pledging Delta or Alpha before they're even eligible to apply to greek life. Excuse me if I've been sounding like a total monster on GC, but it's painful to hear people say that they won't join us strictly because we're not NPC. We're in the middle of a catch 22. They say we're too small but then people won't join us. As of right now I have 13 and as of next year there will be 5 of us left. The other sororities are just begging that we get kicked off campus because so that they can satisfy their quota. The shallow reasons that people DO give for joining an NPC is hysterical. If I join I get a free Tiffany's necklace. If I join I get to wear their letters. If I join I get a free credit card (I kid you not) But nope...nobody wants any sisterhood...just a new pair of diamond earrings. So come on. Let me have it. Shame on me for reaching out for a little help from the Greek community.

[AOEforme]

Originally Posted by Kaorin_Kanoe

Should I cry that you don't want to be my sister. Trust me, the feeling is mutual. I'm tired of people asking me that if I wanted to be NPC then why did I colonize with KBG. I. AM. NOT. A. FOUNDING. SISTER. And you have some nerve saying that we're not looking hard enough. You don't know what goes on on my campus that prohibits from getting the results that we would like. My sister wear our letters everyday even though we're blatantly outnumbered. I don't think you know what it's like to have people say to your face that they're pledging Delta or Alpha before they're even eligible to apply to greek life. Excuse me if I've been sounding like a total monster on GC, but it's painful to hear people say that they won't join us strictly because we're not NPC. We're in the middle of a catch 22. They say we're too small but then people won't join us. As of right now I have 13 and as of next year there will be 5 of us left. The other sororities are just begging that we get kicked off campus because so that they can satisfy their quota. The shallow reasons that people DO give for joining an NPC is hysterical. If I join I get a free Tiffany's necklace. If I join I get to wear their letters. If I join I get a free credit card (I kid you not) But nope...nobody wants any sisterhood...just a new pair of diamond earrings. So come on. Let me have it. Shame on me for reaching out for a little help from the Greek community.

I, for the record, am also in a national non-NPC.

1. We understand you are not a founding sister. Why I don't get is why you joined KBG when you could have joined a NPC, if you wanted that. Why did you join if NPC is what you want?

2. Yes, NPC women DO know what it's like to have someone tell them that "Oh, I'm not joining your sorority. I'm going to be in Delta or Alpha, not in yours". It happens constantly.

3. Seriously? A free credit card? Maybe I'm missing something, but I seriously doubt that has a shred of truth to it.


I really think that your chapter is recruiting wrong. My national, non-NPC chapter does two phases of recruitment: (1) a modified formal, with PHA and (2) informal.

The girls we bring in through formal recruitment join because we fit their ideal chapter, either via sisterhood or the programming. The girls who join through informal join because we are not a traditional NPC organization. We are smaller, with professional programing based in the sciences and engineering.

If you are marketing yourself as a "knock-off" NPC, it is no shock you are having membership problems. You need to demonstrate what you have in common with your Panhellenic Sisters, but also what makes you different.

Once our chapter started operating in that way, we haven't had an issue with numbers. We are at a lower total than the NPCs on campus, but it's one we have set and we maintain every year. We cut women regularly, rather than allowing anyone to join (which is another HUGE mistake some small groups make. Quantity is NEVER equal to quality). We have made well above our desired quota every year.

It's not that being in an NPC gives you a magical house with Tiffany's bracelets and free credit cards. It's that they have many things to offer and they are marketing it as such. Your chapter is currently not.