NPC adding new council members--do you think it could/will happen? - Page 6

sigmadiva · #76 05-10-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetmagnolia

Laneswerve: what NPC groups would be the most likely to be absorbed? What happens to the members of the NPC group that gets absorbed, especially actives?

(I don't know if that made sense)
If AB and DEF were on the same campus when the NPC decided that DEF was going to absorb AB- what would happen? Is absorption a gradual process?

ETA: omg my spelling is atrocious

Do you mean NPHC???

Otherwise this does not make sense to me.

Okay. I read this again for the 5th time. Now I think I get what you are asking.

agzg · #77 05-10-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I must admit, I know little to nothing about those orgs that were absorbed in the past. Which ones were they? How many chapters did they have at the time? What was the reaction from alumnae? And what were in "internal problems" that caused them to close?

Although this might happen before any addition to the NPC ever does, what do you think the chances are of this really happening, considering how established all of the NPCs are now?

Or is this something that simply can't be answered..?

Well, most orgs that went through it do have mention in their various histories about it - also Baird's mentions it. The details, though, are slim, and I say "wave" as in it happened a few times while the NPC was coming together and groups were joining more frequently. So, I don't have any answers to any of your questions in this post.

I feel like I opened a can of worms. I don't think any groups at this time are on any kind of chopping block or that larger groups are licking their chops waiting to swoop in - I just think it might be as if not more likely than well-established groups from other councils joining the NPC (since our membership isn't as fluid as, say, the NIC, those crazy hotheads

).

DeltaBetaBaby · #78 05-10-2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

Touché.

Although it's also about non-NPC sororities attempting to come into the NPC, so some consideration of other ways of doing things may come into play. And when the discussion turns to "councils," then that does widen the scope.

As a general across-the-board rule, no I don't think that umbrella organizations necessarily help with the three things you mentioned. I don't think we noticed any difference as to those three things when we decided to leave the umbrella organization we used to belong to. Frankly, as far as I can tell, we haven't noticed any difference at all.

With the first two (insurance and housing), I think the size, resources and bargaining power of the specific organization are much more important. (And as mentioned, housing isn't really an issue for many orgs.) As for university relations, my experience is that colleges and universities that have a concern (1) want orgs to be accountable to a national entity and (2) find a local council (sometimes an inappropriate one) to stick the chapter in.

w/r/t insurance, I was thinking of FIPG. IIRC, there are no members of FIPG that are not also NPC/NIC.

agzg · #79 05-10-2011, 03:47 PM

LOL, I complain about people getting butthurt then start a discussion that has the potential to make people more butthurt. I'm so going to hell.

I swear on my life someone else said something about NPC groups merging upthread!

DeltaBetaBaby · #80 05-10-2011, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg

Well, most orgs that went through it do have mention in their various histories about it - also Baird's mentions it. The details, though, are slim, and I say "wave" as in it happened a few times while the NPC was coming together and groups were joining more frequently. So, I don't have any answers to any of your questions in this post.

I feel like I opened a can of worms. I don't think any groups at this time are on any kind of chopping block or that larger groups are licking their chops waiting to swoop in - I just think it might be as if not more likely than well-established groups from other councils joining the NPC (since our membership isn't as fluid as, say, the NIC, those crazy hotheads

).

A lot of the absorptions were depression-era. I doubt we'll ever see another period like that. An individual org failing, though? Could happen.

ASTalumna06 · #81 05-10-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg

LOL, I complain about people getting butthurt then start a discussion that has the potential to make people more butthurt. I'm so going to hell.

I swear on my life someone else said something about NPC groups merging upthread!

The new war cry of GC: Blame agzg!

agzg · #82 05-10-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

A lot of the absorptions were depression-era. I doubt we'll ever see another period like that. An individual org failing, though? Could happen.

I guess my whole point was that because (in terms of member organizations) NPC membership is fairly static, that it would take a major shakeup and/or outside forces to see them adding groups or significantly changing the number of members (like in the late 40s when they added a boatload). But I could be really wrong.

AlphaFrog · #83 05-10-2011, 03:54 PM

This whole thing is starting to remind me of the oldu "OMG, ASA and AST are both smaller and gold and green Alpha Sigmas - they should totally merge!" Thread. Nevermind that we probably have the highest percentage of chapters to shared campus ratio of any other GLOs.

agzg · #84 05-10-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

This whole thing is starting to remind me of the oldu "OMG, ASA and AST are both smaller and gold and green Alpha Sigmas - they should totally merge!" Thread. Nevermind that we probably have the highest percentage of chapters to shared campus ratio of any other GLOs.

LOL what a clusterfuck that would be. Also, I'm not interested in oldu's ridiculous rankings of who the stronger NPC organizations are.

MysticCat · #85 05-10-2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

w/r/t insurance, I was thinking of FIPG. IIRC, there are no members of FIPG that are not also NPC/NIC.

But FIPG doesn't provide insurance. It provides risk management guidelines and educational resources.

As for membership, it may be true that there currently are not any members of FIPG that are not also NIC or NPC. But that doesn't mean there couldn't be. Per FIPG's By-Laws, its members must be members of the Fraternity Executives Association. There are non-NIC/NPC members of the FEA.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

This whole thing is starting to remind me of the oldu "OMG, ASA and AST are both smaller and gold and green Alpha Sigmas - they should totally merge!" Thread. Nevermind that we probably have the highest percentage of chapters to shared campus ratio of any other GLOs.

Exactly what I thought of.

ASTalumna06 · #86 05-10-2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

This whole thing is starting to remind me of the oldu "OMG, ASA and AST are both smaller and gold and green Alpha Sigmas - they should totally merge!" Thread. Nevermind that we probably have the highest percentage of chapters to shared campus ratio of any other GLOs.

I just HAD to go searching for it...

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=96233

I forget how many campuses we actually do share (I have that info located SOMEWHERE), but it is definitely a lot. Talk about sisters, both active and alumnae, being incredibly pissed off on both sides of the fence!

I love me some ASA, but there's no way in hell this would ever work. Obviously.

DeltaBetaBaby · #87 05-10-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg

I guess my whole point was that because (in terms of member organizations) NPC membership is fairly static, that it would take a major shakeup and/or outside forces to see them adding groups or significantly changing the number of members (like in the late 40s when they added a boatload). But I could be really wrong.

I don't think anyone has ASKED to be in the NPC in a long time. That could be what you mean by "outside forces", but let's just be clear that the NPC isn't sitting around voting not to let new orgs in.

ASTalumna06 · #88 05-10-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I don't think anyone has ASKED to be in the NPC in a long time. That could be what you mean by "outside forces", but let's just be clear that the NPC isn't sitting around voting not to let new orgs in.

New question... how DOES it all work? Have groups asked to be included in the past, or have they been invited? Or both?

If both, which has been done more?

agzg · #89 05-10-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I don't think anyone has ASKED to be in the NPC in a long time. That could be what you mean by "outside forces", but let's just be clear that the NPC isn't sitting around voting not to let new orgs in.

Yes, I know that.

AOEforme · #90 05-10-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

w/r/t insurance, I was thinking of FIPG. IIRC, there are no members of FIPG that are not also NPC/NIC.

Alpha Omega Epsilon is a client.

ETA: Somewhere in here someone had asked if A.O.E. allows non-engineering and technical science majors. They answer is no, we do not. Chapters are actually fined for initiating non-approved majors.

This was one of the problems my campus Panhellenic had when trying to work my chapter into formal recruitment.