Osama Bin Laden Dead

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

It is my contention though that special forces are better trained/equipped to handle PTSD more so than the general military population, thereby lowering their risk of being afflicted by it.

What parts of their training would account for this?

I know next-to-nothing about how special forces/JSOC units are trained, but my notion is that post-military life is not high on the list of things they're trained for, and "PsyOps" or similar training (like anti-torture stuff) could actually work the opposite of what you're assuming, in terms of later onset of PTSD.

What works in the field won't always work in the living room.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

You do not know that it does bother them and you do not know that they will/may suffer PTSD.

You should reread and note that I didn't say they would suffer anything, just that your assumption that it was like shooting an animal was unfounded. And you stated so yourself since you said you had no idea what they were thinking.

When the interviews come out with the Seal/s who shot OBL we will know

Never gonna happen. Maybe they'll write a book and it'll be released in 50 years or something, but never gonna happen.

Until that time we will all have our opinion as to what effect it will have on them and whether this event is deserving of a celebration.

The latter is certainly a matter of opinion, the former is just a fact that we don't know.

When I see the Seal who shot OBL breakdown and cry or tell us he is shaken to the core and suffers all sorts of psychological problems, I will know that you were right. Until that time we will not know and my beliefs/opinions are just as valid as yours.

You're missing the point I was making, again reread my comment.

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I know this probably isn't anything anyone doesn't know, but using his wife as a shield was probably less emotionally disturbing to him than us using our dog. In their culture, she was his property, and therefore, disposable.

But he didn't use her as a shield.
He wasn't Taliban himself, did he ever speak about his thoughts on women? I kind of figured he was a bit focused on the death to America thing. It was a big deal for him.

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I don't think that's what he was implying. I think he was trying to say that we can't assume that every soldier involved in a firefight is going to develop PTSD.

Which of course, was not what I was saying. I do agree with you.

It is my contention though that special forces are better trained/equipped to handle PTSD more so than the general military population, thereby lowering their risk of being afflicted by it.

But that's just MY opinion.

I can't find any stats, though I've heard special forces are less likely to handle PTSD because they're volunteers and screened. That said it may also be because the symptoms don't show up until they're out of the special forces/retired/etc. Or they don't talk about it because their missions are more secretive/classified. I have no idea.

But, stating that the soldiers would see shooting bin Laden as shooting a rabid animal is a pretty big assumption. GW may see OBL as a (dead) rabid animal, and may think he would have seen shooting him in such a way, but we don't know what went on in their heads at all.

[Drolefille]

Worldwide Reactions - Photos

Warning bandwidth heavy. Pretty interesting, I think the one that struck me the most was the one with the man from the 1998 Embassy bombing. We forget how long and how many people were victims of terror led, encouraged, or orchestrated by OBL.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Never gonna happen. Maybe they'll write a book and it'll be released in 50 years or something, but never gonna happen.

Don't have a crystal ball but would bet that in 3-5 years some of these Team 6 Seals who have retired or left the service will have a tale to tell and a media willing to pay a lot to hear their tale. Just my opinion.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Don't have a crystal ball but would bet that in 3-5 years some of these Team 6 Seals who have retired or left the service will have a tale to tell and a media willing to pay a lot to hear their tale. Just my opinion.

And in 3-5 years it will still be classified. So even if they have a tale to tell, it won't be told for a while.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Don't have a crystal ball but would bet that in 3-5 years some of these Team 6 Seals who have retired or left the service will have a tale to tell and a media willing to pay a lot to hear their tale. Just my opinion.

I'll say it again.

Not gonna happen. Even what we know is what we are allowed to know.

[FHwku]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

It is my contention though that special forces are better trained/equipped to handle PTSD more so than the general military population, thereby lowering their risk of being afflicted by it.

But that's just MY opinion.

Originally Posted by KSig RC

What parts of their training would account for this?

research has shown that Special Forces soldiers are less susceptible to PTSD than other soldiers, including Rangers and Marines. neurological differences in the SF men, namely the production of the neuropeptide Y molecule at greater and sustained levels, which allowed them to avoid disassociation and stay mentally focused.

i don't know if it's genetic or due to the high-stress situations during selection and SF training. soldiers who made it through selection say it was the best training experiences of their lives, while the ones who washed out don't fare so well. their subjective views of the traumatic event may be the best predictors of PTSD.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

In their culture, she was his property, and therefore, disposable.

In their culture? From what I understand, while he treated his sons harshly, he was never violent or cruel to any of the women in the family. He taught them all how to defend themselves and provided for their needs. If you want to think of him as an animal, ok. But, even animals protect their families, even when they are vicious toward outsiders.

His youngest wife was shot defending him, presumably because that was her duty and he was her livelihood.

[IrishLake]

^ Doesn't mean he didn't deserve to get half his head shot off.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

^ Doesn't mean he didn't deserve to get half his head shot off.

^Has nothing to do with my comment.

[IrishLake]

^ Don't care.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

^ Don't care.

What's your point then?

I find it pretty funny that so many people are expecting the men from Seal Team 6 to come out and be like, "yeah I did it." It's as if no one's heard of classified information...

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

In their culture? From what I understand, while he treated his sons harshly, he was never violent or cruel to any of the women in the family. He taught them all how to defend themselves and provided for their needs. If you want to think of him as an animal, ok. But, even animals protect their families, even when they are vicious toward outsiders.

His youngest wife was shot defending him, presumably because that was her duty and he was her livelihood.

Yeah I thought about saying something about that too. Talk about painting with big broad strokes. And who is the "they" in "their culture"? Terrorists? Saudis? Wahhabiism? Salafis? Sunnis? People named Bin Laden?

Osama's wives

Not very in depth but an interesting article about the woman who was injured, and some of her life.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

What's your point then?

I find it pretty funny that so many people are expecting the men from Seal Team 6 to come out and be like, "yeah I did it." It's as if no one's heard of classified information...

It's not impossible something could (wiki)leak, but realistically there will be no interviews, no media appearances, etc.

[IrishLake]

My point: Why care if he was killed in a gunfight armed or unarmed? Why care if his wife rushed a Seal and was shot for it? The guy deserved to get whatever... call it murder, assassination, extermination, or termination with extreme prejudice; the guy was responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. I have no sympathy for him, his followers, his kids, or his wives, even if he was a good husband/father/provider/protector.