Osama Bin Laden Dead

[Ghostwriter]

^^^^well written. I agree with most.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

/yes yes, rah rah USA and all that.

Hmmm! This says it all. You should make it your signature.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Hmmm! This says it all. You should make it your signature.

I don't feel the need for jingoism and I'm not particularly needing a cathartic response, but pretending to know what our soldiers think, felt, or reacted to the situation is it's own type of idealism. There is no evidence it was any easier to shoot bin Laden in the head because of who he was and PTSD doesn't make those sort of distinctions.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I don't feel the need for jingoism and I'm not particularly needing a cathartic response, but pretending to know what our soldiers think, felt, or reacted to the situation is it's own type of idealism. There is no evidence it was any easier to shoot bin Laden in the head because of who he was and PTSD doesn't make those sort of distinctions.

You do not know that it does bother them and you do not know that they will/may suffer PTSD. This is all your opinion, which is what this board and thread are composed. When the interviews come out with the Seal/s who shot OBL we will know. Until that time we will all have our opinion as to what effect it will have on them and whether this event is deserving of a celebration.

When I see the Seal who shot OBL breakdown and cry or tell us he is shaken to the core and suffers all sorts of psychological problems, I will know that you were right. Until that time we will not know and my beliefs/opinions are just as valid as yours.

[als463]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

You do not know that it does bother them and you do not know that they will/may suffer PTSD. This is all your opinion, which is what this board and thread are composed. When the interviews come out with the Seal/s who shot OBL we will know. Until that time we will all have our opinion as to what effect it will have on them and whether this event is deserving of a celebration.

When I see the Seal who shot OBL breakdown and cry or tell us he is shaken to the core and suffers all sorts of psychological problems, I will know that you were right. Until that time we will not know and my beliefs/opinions are just as valid as yours.

What does your signature mean? Also, while I may not always agree with DF, I have to agree on this. You can't assume because you don't see someone crying/ breaking down that they don't have PTSD. Did you know that PTSD mirrors signs of ADD/ADHD in young boys when they start acting out? People think that these young kids are just hellions when in actuality, they are suffering from PTSD-which is why they are acting out in anger and being mean to people. PTSD does not always equate to crying and breaking down.

You really should not speak for people in the military (or people in general) regarding how they should or shouldn't feel in regards to taking the life of another person. Were you in the military?

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

You do not know that it does bother them and you do not know that they will/may suffer PTSD. This is all your opinion, which is what this board and thread are composed. When the interviews come out with the Seal/s who shot OBL we will know. Until that time we will all have our opinion as to what effect it will have on them and whether this event is deserving of a celebration.

When I see the Seal who shot OBL breakdown and cry or tell us he is shaken to the core and suffers all sorts of psychological problems, I will know that you were right. Until that time we will not know and my beliefs/opinions are just as valid as yours.

That will not happen.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

Anyone checked Wikileaks lately? Um, because a FB friend of mine has a picture of a dead Bin Laden on his page... and it looks pretty dang real, and he says he got it from Wikileaks. I can't check that site from work.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Someone on my FB feed posted a pic that's apparently been floating around the net for several years. I'm not sure if I would want to see the real photo, though :-/

I got an IT Security alert from the FBI today that there are emails and Facebook posts going around claiming to show pics of dead OBL and they are packaged with malware. Be careful folks.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I got an IT Security alert from the FBI today that there are emails and Facebook posts going around claiming to show pics of dead OBL and they are packaged with malware. Be careful folks.

Oh, I knew better than to click it. I just saw the thumbnail on my feed.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

You do not know that it does bother them and you do not know that they will/may suffer PTSD. This is all your opinion, which is what this board and thread are composed. When the interviews come out with the Seal/s who shot OBL we will know. Until that time we will all have our opinion as to what effect it will have on them and whether this event is deserving of a celebration.

When I see the Seal who shot OBL breakdown and cry or tell us he is shaken to the core and suffers all sorts of psychological problems, I will know that you were right. Until that time we will not know and my beliefs/opinions are just as valid as yours.

So is it your contention that PTSD and related disorders do not occur in present and past military members at a markedly higher rate than in the general public?

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

So is it your contention that PTSD and related disorders do not occur in present and past military members at a markedly higher rate than in the general public?

I don't think that's what he was implying. I think he was trying to say that we can't assume that every soldier involved in a firefight is going to develop PTSD. It is my contention though that special forces are better trained/equipped to handle PTSD more so than the general military population, thereby lowering their risk of being afflicted by it.

But that's just MY opinion.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

It is my contention though that special forces are better trained/equipped to handle PTSD more so than the general military population, thereby lowering their risk of being afflicted by it.

What parts of their training would account for this?

I know next-to-nothing about how special forces/JSOC units are trained, but my notion is that post-military life is not high on the list of things they're trained for, and "PsyOps" or similar training (like anti-torture stuff) could actually work the opposite of what you're assuming, in terms of later onset of PTSD.

What works in the field won't always work in the living room.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

You do not know that it does bother them and you do not know that they will/may suffer PTSD.

You should reread and note that I didn't say they would suffer anything, just that your assumption that it was like shooting an animal was unfounded. And you stated so yourself since you said you had no idea what they were thinking.

When the interviews come out with the Seal/s who shot OBL we will know

Never gonna happen. Maybe they'll write a book and it'll be released in 50 years or something, but never gonna happen.

Until that time we will all have our opinion as to what effect it will have on them and whether this event is deserving of a celebration.

The latter is certainly a matter of opinion, the former is just a fact that we don't know.

When I see the Seal who shot OBL breakdown and cry or tell us he is shaken to the core and suffers all sorts of psychological problems, I will know that you were right. Until that time we will not know and my beliefs/opinions are just as valid as yours.

You're missing the point I was making, again reread my comment.

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I know this probably isn't anything anyone doesn't know, but using his wife as a shield was probably less emotionally disturbing to him than us using our dog. In their culture, she was his property, and therefore, disposable.

But he didn't use her as a shield.
He wasn't Taliban himself, did he ever speak about his thoughts on women? I kind of figured he was a bit focused on the death to America thing. It was a big deal for him.

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I don't think that's what he was implying. I think he was trying to say that we can't assume that every soldier involved in a firefight is going to develop PTSD.

Which of course, was not what I was saying. I do agree with you.

It is my contention though that special forces are better trained/equipped to handle PTSD more so than the general military population, thereby lowering their risk of being afflicted by it.

But that's just MY opinion.

I can't find any stats, though I've heard special forces are less likely to handle PTSD because they're volunteers and screened. That said it may also be because the symptoms don't show up until they're out of the special forces/retired/etc. Or they don't talk about it because their missions are more secretive/classified. I have no idea.

But, stating that the soldiers would see shooting bin Laden as shooting a rabid animal is a pretty big assumption. GW may see OBL as a (dead) rabid animal, and may think he would have seen shooting him in such a way, but we don't know what went on in their heads at all.