Osama Bin Laden Dead

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by als463

Okay, let me re-phrase that. I should have said, "I have respect for the President but, I don't care for him." Feel better? You HAVE to respect the President when you are in the military but, you can dislike him. I stand behind my statement that he doesn't deserve the credit.

Fair enough.

But I'll ask again -- who would've gotten credit if this occurred during the GWB era?

No one is discounting the work of the troops, but to act like the POTUS (who happens to be Obama) had nothing to do with this is odd.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Fair enough.

But I'll ask again -- who would've gotten credit if this occurred during the GWB era?

No one is discounting the work of the troops, but to act like the POTUS (who happens to be Obama) had nothing to do with this is odd.

It's not odd. He's obviously a HATER! And I'm not a big fan of Obama...just calling it like I see it.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

But I'll ask again -- who would've gotten credit if this occurred during the GWB era?

From some of the people who disliked GWB, anyone and anything other than GWB. Chia pets, Chuck Norris, whatever else.

I completely understand where als463 is coming from. She's a military hero (). She's giving credit where it is literally due in terms of the source that literally acted. But, as you all have said, before that action comes the literal permission from the President. The military cannot (should not) act without that.

I disagree with AlphaFrog (I think it was AlphaFrog) that this was a common sense move and Forest Gump would have done the same thing. First of all, common sense is a subjective concept and there is knowledge and power required to make such decisions. This decision could have been made and it could have ended horribly and then people wouldn't have been celebrating or looking for who to credit. They'd be looking for who to blame. Honestly, and God forbid, it could still end horribly and then I wonder how the assessment of "common sense" will play then; and who would be blamed if something were to happen after people's celebrations ended.

As with many occupations and tasks in life, everyone has the answer and knows what the hell to do. Until they are in the position to do it and have the weight resting upon them. You really see whether people's actions speak louder than their words.

[als463]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

From some of the people who disliked GWB, anyone and anything other than GWB. Chia pets, Chuck Norris, whatever else.

I completely understand where als463 is coming from. She's a military hero (). She's giving credit where it is literally due in terms of the source that literally acted. But, as you all have said, before that action comes the literal permission from the President. The military cannot (should not) act without that.

I disagree with AlphaFrog (I think it was AlphaFrog) that this was a common sense move and Forest Gump would have done the same thing. First of all, common sense is a subjective concept and there is knowledge and power required to make such decisions. This decision could have been made and it could have ended horribly and then people wouldn't have been celebrating or looking for who to credit. They'd be looking for who to blame. Honestly, and God forbid, it could still end horribly and then I wonder how the assessment of "common sense" will play then; and who would be blamed if something were to happen after people's celebrations ended.

As with many occupations and tasks in life, everyone has the answer and knows what the hell to do. Until they are in the position to do it and have the weight resting upon them. You really see whether people's actions speak louder than their words.

Thank you for understanding what I am trying to say. Also, thanks for calling me a hero...lol-I'm far from that, I think. No, in all seriousness, I feel like this victory is somewhat being taken away from our men and women in uniform because many of Obama's supporters (not all-I don't want to generalize) are looking at those of us who didn't vote for him and saying, "See...See what happened? See, it's because of Obama that the world is a safer place. Bush did nothing for us but, Obama rocks!" It went from being, "Yay-we are Americans who care about our freedom and safety" to "Look at what Obama did."

That's what annoys me. I realize we can all agree to disagree. That's great. Just don't lose the message that freedom isn't free and many people who came before the Navy Seals that killed Osama Bin Laden and those who will go after, are the reason we can rally in the streets over the death of a terrorist. I have nothing but respect for my military brothers and sisters. I also respect (but, maybe don't care for) our President. Let's remember that this is about unity and being proud of America.

[preciousjeni]

Going back a few pages...

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I disagree with AlphaFrog (I think it was AlphaFrog) that this was a common sense move and Forest Gump would have done the same thing. First of all, common sense is a subjective concept and there is knowledge and power required to make such decisions. This decision could have been made and it could have ended horribly and then people wouldn't have been celebrating or looking for who to credit. They'd be looking for who to blame. Honestly, and God forbid, it could still end horribly and then I wonder how the assessment of "common sense" will play then; and who would be blamed if something were to happen after people's celebrations ended.

Now that more thorough reports are coming out, it is clear that this wasn't a common sense move. President Obama's advisors gave him three choices. 1) air strike, 2) ground strike, 3) wait for more solid evidence. He went home, slept (and presumably prayed) on it, and called early the next day to order a ground strike.