Rush Hostessing?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

But the resolution doesn't outright bar anyone from doing anything. It "recommends" and "encourages." If NPC doesn't want women to do it, they need to word it thusly: "Each College Panhellenic shall prohibit its members from participation in men's recruitment events and alter their bylaws to reflect same."

I'm fairly certain the NPC cannot prohibit that. A strongly worded recommendation is probably all that is enforceable legally or otherwise.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'm fairly certain the NPC cannot prohibit that. A strongly worded recommendation is probably all that is enforceable legally or otherwise.

Because it's interfering with ability of member groups to set their own behavioral standards?

I agree with you, but I think it's just silly to make recommendations and encouragements unless they have teeth in them. It's kind of along the lines of "well, if you want to wear letters before initiation, you CAN, but no other NM class has..." - only in reverse.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Because it's interfering with ability of member groups to set their own behavioral standards?

I agree with you, but I think it's just silly to make recommendations and encouragements unless they have teeth in them. It's kind of along the lines of "well, if you want to wear letters before initiation, you CAN, but no other NM class has..." - only in reverse.

No, because it isn't related to actually being in a sorority or being in the NPC*. They can't forbid you to join the Math club, visit a fraternity house, or be Buddhist. I don't think there's any way they CAN forbid them from being hostesses. I'm not sure any organization could make the same rule except prohibiting members doing it in letters. There's freedom of association issues as well. I will be interesting to see if they can make those rules and keep them to uphold Title IX, or not. I'm skeptical, but would require a MC ruling to know for sure.

They recommend it because it can look bad for sorority members to be little more than boob advertisements for a fraternity (despite the Title IX claims, again I'd like to understand that better). It's not manipulative in the way your letters example is, it's pretty straight forward recommendation.

*It mentions Title IX but I don't see how it actually relates.

[prettyv]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

No, because it isn't related to actually being in a sorority or being in the NPC*. They can't forbid you to join the Math club, visit a fraternity house, or be Buddhist. I don't think there's any way they CAN forbid them from being hostesses. I'm not sure any organization could make the same rule except prohibiting members doing it in letters. There's freedom of association issues as well. I will be interesting to see if they can make those rules and keep them to uphold Title IX, or not. I'm skeptical, but would require a MC ruling to know for sure.

They recommend it because it can look bad for sorority members to be little more than boob advertisements for a fraternity (despite the Title IX claims, again I'd like to understand that better). It's not manipulative in the way your letters example is, it's pretty straight forward recommendation.

*It mentions Title IX but I don't see how it actually relates.

This is exactly why our campus is pushing against it. The girls aren't wearing inappropriate clothing, aren't wearing their own letters to events, all events are dry, there's no unsavory behavior on the part of the women... and it's really nothing to do with Panhellenic. In fact, it's one of the few times that there's some inter-sorority interaction, which would make it a positive thing, if anything.

I can understand how it COULD be used inappropriately, but I think that's why viewing it on a campus-to-campus basis is appropriate.

[ADPi767]

Originally Posted by prettyv

This is exactly why our campus is pushing against it. The girls aren't wearing inappropriate clothing, aren't wearing their own letters to events, all events are dry, there's no unsavory behavior on the part of the women... and it's really nothing to do with Panhellenic. In fact, it's one of the few times that there's some inter-sorority interaction, which would make it a positive thing, if anything.

I can understand how it COULD be used inappropriately, but I think that's why viewing it on a campus-to-campus basis is appropriate.

I agree with this, for us its a big honour and means your close enough with the fraternity for them to ask you. All the events are dry and you don't wear your letters. I didn't know that they were looking at it in a negative way on some campus's, but I can also see how it can be taken to far potentially by some guys.

I've never been involved or around a fraternity rush (I was living off campus/ am in first year) so thats why I was wondering

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

No, because it isn't related to actually being in a sorority or being in the NPC*. They can't forbid you to join the Math club, visit a fraternity house, or be Buddhist. I don't think there's any way they CAN forbid them from being hostesses. I'm not sure any organization could make the same rule except prohibiting members doing it in letters. There's freedom of association issues as well. I will be interesting to see if they can make those rules and keep them to uphold Title IX, or not. I'm skeptical, but would require a MC ruling to know for sure.

They recommend it because it can look bad for sorority members to be little more than boob advertisements for a fraternity (despite the Title IX claims, again I'd like to understand that better). It's not manipulative in the way your letters example is, it's pretty straight forward recommendation.

*It mentions Title IX but I don't see how it actually relates.

I don't know what this has to do with Title IX either, unless the members are asking the hostesses for their impressions of rushees ("A wimp and a blimp!") and making decisions on who to bid partially based on that.

If it's an image issue, then again, NPC should just come out and say it.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

If it's an image issue, then again, NPC should just come out and say it.

*shrug* I just don't see a problem with the recommendation. I get why they're making it.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

*shrug* I just don't see a problem with the recommendation. I get why they're making it.

I don't. If they think it's bad image-wise, they need to have the balls to come out and say that...but they know that will piss some people off, so they cloak it in Title IX. Which might have something to do with it, or might not. It's kind of hard to respect rules or recommendations when your answer to "Why?" is "Because."