Drinking in Letters

[Psi U MC Vito]

^^^ You are also a member of a fraternity that is dry nationally right?

[DrPhil]

This topic again? LOL.

Before people run around correcting members, they need to understand the difference between a norm or accepted practice versus an official policy and procedure. Find out whether all collegiate and graduate chapters are expected to abide by it. If it's on a chapter-by-chapter basis, it isn't something to get bent out of shape over.

More importantly, only concern yourself with your letters and your GLO. Do not go around worrying about and trying to correct what members of other GLOs are doing in their letters. That applies to college campuses and at the graduate level. I respect the NPHC but don't give a damn what other NPHCers do in their letters. I might notice it and joke about it if it's someone I know, but I'm not laying down the law on others' letters. Mindayadamnbidness.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Thing is we've shown that this ban on alcohol in letters is, for most if not all NPC orgs, done on a campus by campus basis and not a national thing at all. And it seems to work out just fine.

For AST, it is on a national level. But of course, I can't speak for all of the other NPCs/GLOs.

Personally, I think that the justification for this rule includes 3 main reasons:

1) It's a risk management issue
2) It perpetuates the stereotype
3) It's disrespecful

However, the how or why isn't really that important. As DrPhil said, worry only about yourself.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Mindayadamnbidness.

For some reason, the first thing that I thought of was that episode of Fresh Prince...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&cli...&v=rdSWk6RerQ0

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

For AST, it is on a national level.

I'm not trying to bust people, but that's contrary to what I've seen at multiple schools. (And I don't mean back in the day either.)

When we got an interim president at my alma mater, he really disliked the Greek system. It got to be so that if two students were straggling on home to the dorm and one had on letters and one did not, the one with letters would get written up and the one without would get off scot free - even if they were both in the same state of drunkenness. So people stopped wearing them out for a while because they're not dumb and they didn't want to get busted.

I wish groups would come out and say it IS this/risk management instead of wrapping it in the cloak of "it's disrespectful." As I said previously, if drinking in public is such a bad thing for a member of XYZ to do, they shouldn't do it at all. Plenty of people drink in sweatshirts that include the name of their college or the crest. Is that "disrespectful" to your college?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I'm not trying to bust people, but that's contrary to what I've seen at multiple schools. (And I don't mean back in the day either.)

When we got an interim president at my alma mater, he really disliked the Greek system. It got to be so that if two students were straggling on home to the dorm and one had on letters and one did not, the one with letters would get written up and the one without would get off scot free - even if they were both in the same state of drunkenness. So people stopped wearing them out for a while because they're not dumb and they didn't want to get busted.

I wish groups would come out and say it IS this/risk management instead of wrapping it in the cloak of "it's disrespectful." As I said previously, if drinking in public is such a bad thing for a member of XYZ to do, they shouldn't do it at all. Plenty of people drink in sweatshirts that include the name of their college or the crest. Is that "disrespectful" to your college?

Alpha Sigma Tau Sorority Insignia and Alcohol Use Policy
Alpha Sigma Tau Sorority prohibits collegiate/colony chapter members or alumnae from abusing alcohol or being in a location where alcohol abused while wearing, using utensils with (cups, glasses, pitchers, etc.), or in the presence of Alpha Sigma Tau insignia, ritual regalia, or the Sorority’s Crest.

AST policy
Actually it depends on what they mean by "insignia."

/had this bookmarked for some other reason, I just don't know why.

[33girl]

Abuse =/= use. Plus, if you're at Applebee's drinking a coke and someone across the restaurant is getting shitfaced, what are you to do? Take your shirt off?

And I wasn't saying the policy didn't exist, just that it apparently is being interpreted in different ways by different members.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Abuse =/= use. Plus, if you're at Applebee's drinking a coke and someone across the restaurant is getting shitfaced, what are you to do? Take your shirt off?

And I wasn't saying the policy didn't exist, just that it apparently is being interpreted in different ways by different members.

While I agree, the point is that it's a national policy. And I'd argue that any undergraduate alcohol-allowed event will have alcohol abuse at it barring MAYBE wine at a formal dinner in the house (but since houses are mandated alcohol free... yeah never mind.)

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I'm not trying to bust people, but that's contrary to what I've seen at multiple schools. (And I don't mean back in the day either.)

Directly from AST’s Policy and Position Statements:

Alpha Sigma Tau Sorority Insignia and Alcohol Use Policy

Alpha Sigma Tau Sorority prohibits collegiate/colony chapter members or alumnae from abusing alcohol or being in a location where alcohol is abused while wearing, using utensils with (cups, glasses, pitchers, etc.), or in the presence of Alpha Sigma Tau insignia, ritual regalia, or the Sorority’s Crest.

Now, whether everyone adheres to that or not is a different story.

After reading this again, under this rule, (because the word "abused" was used specifically) I could see having a glass of wine at a nice dinner while wearing your badge as being OK (which I have admittedly done before), but wearing letters to a bar, fraternity party, etc. would be unacceptable… regardless of whether or not it was the person in letters who was actually drinking.

ETA: Drole beat me to it. It takes me 5 years to complete a post.. but it's all good

[Optimus Prime]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

^^^ You are also a member of a fraternity that is dry nationally right?

Actually after thinking about it, I guess we could be considered dry because we aren't allowed to have drinking at our events or in our house. Are all NPC considered dry? I've never really asked before.