Philadelphia abortion doctor accused of murdering patient, newborns

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Predictable troll is predictable.

You know, when someone disagrees with your liberal positions you go into megaattack mode. You get a pissed when someone stands up to you and others with your beliefs. It is quite common for you to disparage those who don't agree with you. I simply chose to dish it out and not allow you, or those with similar beliefs as you, to run roughshod over me or others I agree with. So in that I am no more a troll then you.

I am pro-life and proud of it. You and your ilk are pro-choice so wear it well. I have said it before and will reiterate it as much as possible, it is a child, not a fetus. You can parse it anyway you want but it is taking a truly innocent life. The unborn child has not even had a chance to lose its innocence. If you don't see that then I pity your humanity. I weep for the innocent unborn who you deem unworthy to live.

I am appalled that on one hand you state that this was a heinous act by the "doctor" but that you also believe that the unborn child is a fetus (and, I assume, therefore has no rights in the pro-choice world) until it exits the birth canal. If that is truly what you believe then what did the "doctor" do wrong other than accidentally kill the 1 adult? If the adults had attended a "legal" abotion clinic and the children had been killed by scissors being shoved into their skulls and their spinal cord severed would you find that troubling? Inquiring minds would like to know.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

You know, when someone disagrees with your liberal positions you go into megaattack mode. You get a pissed when someone stands up to you and others with your beliefs. It is quite common for you to disparage those who don't agree with you. I simply chose to dish it out and not allow you, or those with similar beliefs as you, to run roughshod over me or others I agree with. So in that I am no more a troll then you.

I am pro-life and proud of it. You and your ilk are pro-choice so wear it well. I have said it before and will reiterate it as much as possible, it is a child, not a fetus. You can parse it anyway you want but it is taking a truly innocent life. The unborn child has not even had a chance to lose its innocence. If you don't see that then I pity your humanity. I weep for the innocent unborn who you deem unworthy to live.

I am appalled that on one hand you state that this was a heinous act by the "doctor" but that you also believe that the unborn child is a fetus (and, I assume, therefore has no rights in the pro-choice world) until it exits the birth canal. If that is truly what you believe then what did the "doctor" do wrong other than accidentally kill the 1 adult? If the adults had attended a "legal" abotion clinic and the children had been killed by scissors being shoved into their skulls and their spinal cord severed would you find that troubling? Inquiring minds would like to know.

If you presented anything other than emotional appeals and personal attacks I'd care more. That's trolling. Should you bother to read any of the rest of the thread, as agzg pointed out you haven't, you'd find the answers to your questions. But keep it up, someone might believe you're real yet.

/seriously you're frodo aren't you.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

/seriously you're frodo aren't you.

No. No other id's.

I am/was an adopted child. Guess once adopted always adopted.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

No. No other id's.

I am/was an adopted child. Guess once adopted always adopted.

*whoosh*

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

You know, when someone disagrees with your liberal positions you go into megaattack mode. You get a pissed when someone stands up to you and others with your beliefs. It is quite common for you to disparage those who don't agree with you. I simply chose to dish it out and not allow you, or those with similar beliefs as you, to run roughshod over me or others I agree with. So in that I am no more a troll then you.

I am pro-life and proud of it. You and your ilk are pro-choice so wear it well. I have said it before and will reiterate it as much as possible, it is a child, not a fetus. You can parse it anyway you want but it is taking a truly innocent life. The unborn child has not even had a chance to lose its innocence. If you don't see that then I pity your humanity. I weep for the innocent unborn who you deem unworthy to live.

I am appalled that on one hand you state that this was a heinous act by the "doctor" but that you also believe that the unborn child is a fetus (and, I assume, therefore has no rights in the pro-choice world) until it exits the birth canal. If that is truly what you believe then what did the "doctor" do wrong other than accidentally kill the 1 adult? If the adults had attended a "legal" abotion clinic and the children had been killed by scissors being shoved into their skulls and their spinal cord severed would you find that troubling? Inquiring minds would like to know.

It is unfortunate you are such a very unpleasant person. You obviously feel strongly about the issue. I know many people that feel the same as you, but they are people with grace and civility that are able to explain clearly why they believe the way they do without attacking others. It's very possible to believe strongly one way or another and still be respectful. I pity you, personally, because it must be hard to go through life with such an abrasive personality.

You see, had you commented without "your ilk" or "I pity your humanity" and the like, you wouldn't have encountered unpleasant responses. Once again, if you are rude and hostile, you have no right to expect civil responses. The responses you are getting are your own attitude thrown right back at you. Have the decency to recognize that and accept it instead of playing the victim. You aren't one, in any way shape or form. And once again, you have no right to expect anyone here to respect your opinions if you will not return the favor. Since you have made it clear you respect no opinions but your own, stop expecting you'll get a pass on your hostility.

Lastly, the questions you asked have actually been answered, and you have chosen not to read them. Instead of reading and discussing intelligently you have once again stooped to incorrect assumptions. If you are incapable of reading, don't bother asking questions.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

I am pro-life and proud of it. You and your ilk are pro-choice so wear it well.

For me pro-choice is just that - pro-CHOICE.

If a woman chooses to have an abortion, fine. That is her choice that she will have to live with.

If a woman decides to keep the child and raise it or put it up for aboption, that is her choice as well.

I personally don't "prosecute" her either way.

It would be great if all babies are born to wonderful married parents, but they are not.

More often that not, unwed expectant mothers receive little to no support, especially from the guy who got her pregnant.


So, instead of attacking women, why don't you take it upon yourself to help educate men so that they will be aware of their responsibility also.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

So, instead of attacking women, why don't you take it upon yourself to help educate men so that they will be aware of their responsibility also.

I believe there are pro-choice men out there as well. Many of the pro-choice posters are men (I think, no way to prove it either way). Stating my opinion and pointing out alternatives to abortion is not attacking women or men. I do attack the act as incomprehensible, cruel and gruesome.

My understanding is that the women is the final decision maker when it comes to an abortion. I believe they can choose to have an abortion over the objections of the man. Do they always, of course not, but can they? I believe so. This is one of the central parts of the debate over pro-choice vs. pro-life. The law as written now allows the woman to choose what she will do with her body. I am one of those who chooses to speak up for the unborn child. If no one spoke up for the child there would necessarily be no debate and we all could congratulate ourselves on how wise we are. As long as abortion is legal all I can do is try to change others minds and point out alternatives (church, counseling, support groups, adoption, etc.).

And yes, the man is just as responsible for the child and should be responsible for its comfort and well being along with that of the mother. Unfortunately there are too many "men" who shirk their duties and obligations. These are not real men. I don't know what one can do about that other than state ones opinion and try to change the hearts/conscience of the father/s. Responsibility cannot be forced on people no matter what we say, do or legislate. We can only keep on trying.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

I believe there are pro-choice men out there as well. Many of the pro-choice posters are men (I think, no way to prove it either way). Stating my opinion and pointing out alternatives to abortion is not attacking women or men. I do attack the act as incomprehensible, cruel and gruesome.

My understanding is that the women is the final decision maker when it comes to an abortion. I believe they can choose to have an abortion over the objections of the man. Do they always, of course not, but can they? I believe so. This is one of the central parts of the debate over pro-choice vs. pro-life. The law as written now allows the woman to choose what she will do with her body. I am one of those who chooses to speak up for the unborn child. If no one spoke up for the child there would necessarily be no debate and we all could congratulate ourselves on how wise we are. As long as abortion is legal all I can do is try to change others minds and point out alternatives (church, counseling, support groups, adoption, etc.).

And yes, the man is just as responsible for the child and should be responsible for its comfort and well being along with that of the mother. Unfortunately there are too many "men" who shirk their duties and obligations. These are not real men. I don't know what one can do about that other than state ones opinion and try to change the hearts/conscience of the father/s. Responsibility cannot be forced on people no matter what we say, do or legislate. We can only keep on trying.

In this thread you absolutely attack women and men who have differing opinions from yourself. Consider focusing on the act itself when voicing your opinions. Rudeness and hostility will change nothing, especially minds.

Also consider researching the plights of those less fortunate. Women without any sort of financial aid, family support, partner support, education, etc. simply do not have the options available to many of us. Instead of judging, it might be more productive to find ways to help them should they choose to carry the baby to term, which would make it more likely they would choose to do so instead of have an abortion. For instance, I have a relative that volunteered for an organization called Save-a-Life (sp?)...and though I disagree with some of the things many of the volunteers think and say, I did notice that they specifically reached out to women without healthcare or emotional and financial support. Yes, some of those women still had abortions, but some did not because they simply needed help getting on their feet. She has several stories of clients that have come back with their children and said that they had really wanted to keep their babies all along but were afraid they wouldn't be able to provide for them, and because of the resources the volunteers offered them they were able to become good parents. I firmly believe that is not the correct choice for every woman, but there are many out there that do not really want the abortion and just think it is their best option at the time due to their circumstances. For women in that particular position a service like that (as well as caring volunteers that are capable of leaving their judgments at the door) is really all they need.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

In this thread you absolutely attack women and men who have differing opinions from yourself. Consider focusing on the act itself when voicing your opinions. Rudeness and hostility will change nothing, especially minds.

You seem to be able to dish it out in this and other threads but when it gets thrown back at you, you accuse others of attacking. Get the plank out of your own eye.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

You seem to be able to dish it out in this and other threads but when it gets thrown back at you, you accuse others of attacking. Get the plank out of your own eye.

Canned response much?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Canned response much?

Exactly, there's no reason to continue to engage the troll.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

You seem to be able to dish it out in this and other threads but when it gets thrown back at you, you accuse others of attacking. Get the plank out of your own eye.

Actually, that is exactly what you are doing. Again, you will change nothing by being a judgmental blowhard, least of all minds. Here are some examples:

"If you put your own "reproductive" rights over that of the child then shame on you."

"I disagree with you and your ilk so live with it."

"Your conscience bothering you?"

"You and your ilk are pro-choice so wear it well"

"If you don't see that then I pity your humanity."

You are antagonistic, accusatory, hostile, and most of all...such a detriment to your cause. I'm beginning to think that what you're really interested in is an argument, and not the issue of abortion itself, because if you truly believed it was wrong you'd be working to change it and "change minds" instead of working against the cause.

As you have been repeatedly told, either suck it up and take it when you are treated as you treat others or stop being so hostile.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Many of the pro-choice posters are men (I think, no way to prove it either way).

Could you please break down the gender identities of the various posters in this thread?