Philadelphia abortion doctor accused of murdering patient, newborns

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Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

I am not Glenn and I have been on this board for quite a while. I don't expect you to have to agree with me but I say what I say and mean what I say. I am pro life because the baby is always the innocent one and not necessarily the adult.

One does not need to be new to be a troll. You are TROLLING. You're trying to get a rise out of people. Since it's quiet at work though, I'll be happy to point out what a blathering idiot you are if you think anyone in this thread is either actively or passively condoning cutting the spinal cord of an infant with scissors.

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

My point is that many on this board do not find late term abortion or abortion as a whole a problem. The problem is that the Dr. was performing "illegal" abortions instead of "legal" ones. So yes by inference the condemnation is that he wasn't doing anything wrong in the abortions only that they were "illegal".

You mean these posts? These posts that say that what the doctor did was disgusting and he was wrong to do it?

Originally Posted by Drolefille

This is beyond disturbing and is precisely why I support pretty much anything that provides women with full access to healthcare.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

This case is disgusting. I'm pro-choice, but this procedure is not reasonable.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

That's the thing--regardless of where one lies on the pro-choice/pro-life spectrum, everyone can agree that the manner in which these procedures occurred were barbaric to say the least.

Add to that the fact that this was done after viability, in situations where it was probably NOT to save the life of a mother, increases the ridiculousness of this situation.

Originally Posted by agzg

I don't think anyone in this thread is saying that the type of procedures the "doctor" was performing should be legal or were not disgusting, more that his victims included both the babies delivered and the mothers, no matter how willing the participant. His alleged actions were reprehensible and if found guilty he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Either way - I don't think there are many who advocate any of these tactics (scissors? I honestly had to check to make sure it wasn't a tabloid/internet invention) - it's almost like a bad movie or video game. Unconscionable on every level, and sort of hard to even integrate into a rational mindset. Regardless of the social and legal forces that drove this into existence, what this 'clinic' did was horrible.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Infants should not be murdered. A fetus is a fetus until birth/delivery. The term murder doesn't apply to abortion although it does apply to what this non-doctor did. Feel free to say 'kill' if you like, but murder's one of those words that means what it means, not what you want it to mean.

Oh yes, these posts are all about how great it is to kill babies. In fact, you know what? I bet these posters actually advocate for killing babies up to their first birthday. After all, isn't that juuuuuuust like having an abortion?

Oh, it's not? Great. Glad to have that cleared up.

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Here is a previous quote:

"Most late-term abortions are due to issues like Down's Syndrome or genetic problems that would result in the infant's death shortly after birth. They are not because suzy couldn't "choose" not to have sex. But even if they are, I'd rather women have access to the care than do this, because this is the result when abortion is illegal or when access is restricted."

How about you call Drole out specifically instead of being passive aggressive?

Here, I pulled the quote for you. Don't say I never gave you anything.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Most late-term abortions are due to issues like Down's Syndrome or genetic problems that would result in the infant's death shortly after birth. They are not because suzy couldn't "choose" not to have sex. But even if they are, I'd rather women have access to the care than do this, because this is the result when abortion is illegal or when access is restricted.

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

So one supports the right of a woman to have a late term abortion but not by this man. The concern was obviously not for the children but rather the adult.

I support the rights of women to seek reproductive healthcare, and I support the rights of those women and their doctors to make LEGAL decisions about their healthcare behind closed doors. The contents of a woman's uterus are none of your business. Unless you'd like me to inform you each time I have my period and how heavy my flow is? I'd be happy to do that.

Furthermore, if you don't have any concern for actual adults in addition to having concern for the health and welfare of children, I'd say that's pretty fucked up.