Dems: GOP rollback of HCR would increase the deficit.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

My mother has been struggling to control her type II diabetes since she was diagnosed with it nearly 10 years ago. First the doctor and dietitians worked with her on controlling it just with diet. She made a ton of progress, lost a lot of weight, eventually retired (which happened to also improve her health), but even after all that work, her blood sugar readings and organ functioning tests still aren't good enough. So now she's finally on insulin...after all this time. Diabetes is extremely hard to control, even with medication. And to punish people for trying to control it is WRONG. Since your company owns the HMO I'm sure they know what happens to their employees when they don't treat their diabetes.

I would be furious if my company went with an insurance plan with a list of qualifications like that. Pretty much the only group of people that qualify for those low rates are young employees, since high blood pressure, high cholesterol, weight gain and diabetes are common in older demographics.

You're looking at this wrong. No one is punishing anyone. The company is combining a group and individual insurance policy method. To give you an example, I have chronic migraines. Recently I had to try to buy medical insurance on the individual market in Arizona. I was turned down by every single carrier in the state despite having $1000 a month stipend from my employer to pay my premiums. $1000! If your mother tried to buy insurance on the individual market, she would be uninsurable. The only reason she has insurance is because she has group insurance. The other employees could argue that she is punishing them with higher premiums because of her bad health. The company has made the decision to split the difference and give small breaks to people who meet specific markers and increase premiums for people who don't. Is it fair? What is fair? While I wish that I could get an insurance policy, I can understand why no one will insure me. When and if I get an individual policy under HCR, it will cost my an arm and a leg. I also know how much it costs to insure a poorly controlled diabetic on insulin, whether or not her poorly controlled state is all "her fault." In the end, we both still cost a lot to insure.

[agzg]

I'm becoming more and more convinced that frodobaggybutt and madmax are the same.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by agzg

I'm becoming more and more convinced that frodobaggybutt and madmax are the same.

I still disappointed with frodo. I thought we understood each other. He posts repetitive comments about accepting Jesus, we utterly ignore him... those were the happy times.

Now I know he's a freeper.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Not sure which articles you were reading, but everything that I read indicated that the original bill by the Dems did NOT include those tax cuts for the wealthy but that one failed because the Republicans insisted that they'd only vote for it if it included an extension of all the Bush tax cuts, not just the ones for the middle and lower class.

Additionally, the Republicans argument for rolling this back is that the plan itself would increase the deficit too much. This is the counter argument that rolling it back would increase it.

Lastly, the title of this thread is actually not very accurate because it wasn't the Dems who said this, it was the CBO:

So the Dems and Reps combined to select the least responsible option of all. Bravo to both of them.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I still disappointed with frodo. I thought we understood each other. He posts repetitive comments about accepting Jesus, we utterly ignore him... those were the happy times.

Now I know he's a freeper.

I'm starting to suspect that he's also one of live-in's crazy family members. I guess we won't know for sure until he calls me a lefty libral Palin-hatin' feminazi that thinks wimminz should be paid more than men though.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Kevin

So the Dems and Reps combined to select the least responsible option of all. Bravo to both of them.

It really would be nice if you could get past the one line zingers and tell us how you would do it if you were the ruler of the world instead. These one liners are the epitome of what is wrong with politics. Everybody has an insult, nobody has a suggestion on how to do it differently.

What is the most responsible option in your opinion?

[MysticCat]

She was asing Kevin. No one cares what you think.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Ok am I the only person who wonders exactly how he expects us to deport United States Citizens? Max, if you hate African AMERICANS so much, why don't you leave yourself to a country that has less of them.

[knight_shadow]

We're still arguing with MM, huh?

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

She was asking Kevin. No one cares what you think.

Thank you

[Psi U MC Vito]

Um IIRC MC is a white lawyer from the South. In other words, STFU.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by thecuz

Most people agree with me.

Most people laugh at you.

You can't redistribute brains . . .

A shame, too, as otherwise we might be able to get you some.

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

IIRC MC is a white lawyer from the South.

Complete with the seersucker suit to prove it.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by thecuz

Why do you think George Jefferson moved on up to the big apartment in the sky or Wil Smith's mom sent him to live with his Auntie in Bel Air?

Plot devices?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by thecuz

Don't forget the gated community in the suburbs to avoid the inner city blacks.

Nope. Don't live in one. My kids go to public schools, too.

Once again you don't know what you're talking about. It must get tiresome for you.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by thecuz

Do you think a bleeding heart liberal like MC would let his kids go to school there?

I seriously doubt anyone who knows me would call me a "bleeding heart liberal."

Bless your heart, getting things wrong is as natural as breathing for you, isn't it?