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Old 12-29-2010, 11:28 AM
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As someone from northern California, I do have to say: wow, viewpoints on weed do differ between regions.

Here, you can actually get weed "legally."
Under state law, yes. Under federal law, which constitutionally supercedes state law, it's still illegal. Legalized marijuana in California (and the other states that have legalized it) relies on (1) state officials deciding not to abide by federal law (a possible constitutional violation and a possible violation of the official's oath of office) and (2) the feds not wanting to put the resources into enforcing federal law.
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Old 12-29-2010, 12:28 PM
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Under state law, yes. Under federal law, which constitutionally supercedes state law, it's still illegal. Legalized marijuana in California (and the other states that have legalized it) relies on (1) state officials deciding not to abide by federal law (a possible constitutional violation and a possible violation of the official's oath of office) and (2) the feds not wanting to put the resources into enforcing federal law.
MysticCat, THANK YOU for this! I try and try to get this through my Patients' heads. They all say, "Well, maybe I'll just move to CA-where it is legal." That's why (not that I believe people should use it and I am not advocating for it) I never understood why people would rather take their chances with getting caught using marijuana, which is illegal as opposed to smoking Salvia Divinorum-"Sally D" (what Miley Cyrus was reported to have used) where it is only illegal in some states and pending in others. It messes you up even more and you can buy it in headshops. If I was someone who used drugs, that is what I would be using.
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Old 12-29-2010, 12:39 PM
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MysticCat, THANK YOU for this! I try and try to get this through my Patients' heads. They all say, "Well, maybe I'll just move to CA-where it is legal." That's why (not that I believe people should use it and I am not advocating for it) I never understood why people would rather take their chances with getting caught using marijuana, which is illegal as opposed to smoking Salvia Divinorum-"Sally D" (what Miley Cyrus was reported to have used) where it is only illegal in some states and pending in others. It messes you up even more and you can buy it in headshops. If I was someone who used drugs, that is what I would be using.
Salvia is much more likely to result in a "bad trip"...I know plenty of people who have gotten sick from it and won't use it again. As far as I know that doesn't mean it's dangerous, but it can be unpleasant.

What I've been told (and yes, this is in no way legalese or personal experience) is that the medical marijuana users don't feel the need to worry because officials truly don't want to waste their time on them. They're willing to risk it because they make sure to keep only negligible amounts so that if they are arrested their punishment will be light. But again, this is what I've been told by friends that do use legally over on the west coast...I don't know how educated they are as to the letter of the law.

ETA: I will say as a cautious person I wouldn't smoke it even with the license. Unless it is legalized by the federal government, IMO even if the risk of being arrested is small, it isn't worth it. But I've never really been a risk taker. The three I know who do use it with a license think the benefit is worth the risk.
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Old 12-29-2010, 01:38 PM
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Salvia is much more likely to result in a "bad trip"...I know plenty of people who have gotten sick from it and won't use it again. As far as I know that doesn't mean it's dangerous, but it can be unpleasant.

What I've been told (and yes, this is in no way legalese or personal experience) is that the medical marijuana users don't feel the need to worry because officials truly don't want to waste their time on them. They're willing to risk it because they make sure to keep only negligible amounts so that if they are arrested their punishment will be light. But again, this is what I've been told by friends that do use legally over on the west coast...I don't know how educated they are as to the letter of the law.

ETA: I will say as a cautious person I wouldn't smoke it even with the license. Unless it is legalized by the federal government, IMO even if the risk of being arrested is small, it isn't worth it. But I've never really been a risk taker. The three I know who do use it with a license think the benefit is worth the risk.
As a Chemical Dependency Therapist, I realize this. What I'm saying is that some people don't care how "bad" their trip is or they wouldn't try some of the drugs they try. If people were more afraid of legal consequences, they might try something that is legal but, also gives them some sort of trip.

In fact, it makes me wonder why Sally D isn't illegal in all states the way that marijuana is. Either way, I don't do drugs and I don't advocate for others to try them. I've seen too many lives ruined by experimentation and it's pretty sad.
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Old 12-29-2010, 12:49 PM
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If I was someone who used drugs, that is what I would be using.
That's easier said than done.

If I have a heroin addiction, "Weed Lite" isn't going to cut it.
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Old 12-29-2010, 12:52 PM
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That's easier said than done.

If I have a heroin addiction, "Weed Lite" isn't going to cut it.
Weed isn't chemically addicting, only psychologically. People can have a desperate jones for weed, but they won't experience withdrawals. Not the same.
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Old 12-29-2010, 12:56 PM
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Weed isn't chemically addicting, only psychologically. People can have a desperate jones for weed, but they won't experience withdrawals. Not the same.
But heroin will cause users to experience withdrawals. That was my point. If I'm addicted to a hard drug, a "lesser" drug will not fill the void.
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Old 12-29-2010, 01:10 PM
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But heroin will cause users to experience withdrawals. That was my point. If I'm addicted to a hard drug, a "lesser" drug will not fill the void.
true.
Heroin replaces a neurotransmitter in the brain, dopamine, which is reponsible for feeling happy. This happens after only a few shots and the addict is completely reliant on the heroin for happiness.
Weed only alters perceptions, not the brain itself.
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Old 12-29-2010, 01:11 PM
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But heroin will cause users to experience withdrawals. That was my point. If I'm addicted to a hard drug, a "lesser" drug will not fill the void.
Yeah, I just read her post as saying it would be a better substitute for weed, not all illegal drugs. Someone addicted to heroin probably doesn't give a damn that it's illegal.
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Old 12-29-2010, 01:38 PM
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true.
Heroin replaces a neurotransmitter in the brain, dopamine, which is reponsible for feeling happy. This happens after only a few shots and the addict is completely reliant on the heroin for happiness.
Weed only alters perceptions, not the brain itself.
I miss my psychology days. Isn't dopamine one of the things they're looking at as a link to depression?

(random, but oh well lol)

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Yeah, I just read her post as saying it would be a better substitute for weed, not all illegal drugs. Someone addicted to heroin probably doesn't give a damn that it's illegal.
I read it as "If I were to choose to do drugs, I choose ____." I was just pointing out that if someone is on drugs, s/he is probably already addicted to a certain one.
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Old 12-29-2010, 01:44 PM
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I wouldn't care about the legalization of pot, except one thing: a female is born with all of the eggs she will ever have. Women do not "produce" eggs after birth. Women who smoke pot not only cause lower fertility for themselves, but they also cause fertility problems for their eggs (which could potentially be fertilized and become babies). How would it feel for your own child to not be able to have their own children because YOU decided to smoke pot? Men also damage their sperm, which can potentially affect a fetus, but I *think* if I remember right that it's more of a short-term issue...if he stops smoking, he clears up his sperm, depending on how much reproductive damage he has already caused himself.

I know that some potheads would argue that they're not having children, so it doesn't matter, but most potheads are pretty short-sighted (ex: OP), and don't think about the fact that many people change their minds about that kind of stuff when the biological clock starts ticking.
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