Sigma Chi (Harvard) Apologizes for Party Theme

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 33girl

It doesn't say what kind of ho you have to be. I mean, you can be a sweatpants ho.

Omg

[exlurker]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

. . . I know that teenagers aren't always the most creative individuals, but I find it hard to believe that 1) they're completely unaware of why themes like this are unacceptable and 2) no one (graduating seniors, advisors, etc) can help them come up with better ideas.

^^^ I agree.

[XAntoftheSkyX]

...Does this mean an end to Librarians and Barbarians too?

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Someone in the article compares it to a "Jews/Nazis" party, but it is not an apt comparison as long as we continue to glorify the settlers.

The main difference is that one of those genocides happened and one didn't.

But thats another story for another day.

[knight_shadow]

[DTD Alum]

I'm not gonna lie, I did laugh out loud when I read the title of the party. Not saying it's right but it's the first "Bros and Hos" themed party that I found genuinely witty and original.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

My alma mater requires all official Greek events to be approved in advance by the Greek life advisor. On top of that, my organization (as well as a few others) have to get approval from I/HQ. I never saw it as a big deal, even as an undergrad.

Even if all official Greek events have to be approved, you know that "Golf Pros and Tennis Hoes will get submitted as "Fun Golf Party with Iced Tea and Lemonade, yay!!!1!". .. But will obviously be referred to as a Bros and Hoes party behind the scenes.

[/QUOTE]Ditto what southbymidwest said. Individuals wearing costumes do not represent GLOs and universities.[/QUOTE]

You'd be surprised.. All it takes is one complaint...

I know of a chapter who was in huge trouble with their GLO because a member at a Halloween party dressed as a (pretty funny) African American who's famous, and they painted their face black. One person was offended, they reported it to the school, the national organization caught wind of it, and the whole chapter was in trouble for it.


While I agree that the names of these parties are more offensive to women, its not the names that make these parties continue.. Its the girls that are willing to dress like sluts. And as long as that happens, guys will continue to have "hoes" somehow included in the name.

When I was in college, one fraternity had a Pimps and Hoes party. My friend and I decided that we'd go, but we bought hats and canes, made our own bling, and showed up as pimps. Guys complained that we "cheated"..

Everyone can choose what they wear, regardless of what the theme is.. And if girls want to dress like hoes, they will.. And if they want to avoid that, they'll use their heads and find a way around it.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Even if all official Greek events have to be approved, you know that "Golf Pros and Tennis Hoes will get submitted as "Fun Golf Party with Iced Tea and Lemonade, yay!!!1!". .. But will obviously be referred to as a Bros and Hoes party behind the scenes.

I'm obviously thinking from a non-IFC/NPC POV, so my idea of a party is different. With us, we host our events at a club (or similar location) and use quarter fliers to promote them. We have to get the fliers approved before printing, and if the "wrong" flyer shows up after a party is approved, we get put on social suspension (school and GLO). That's enough incentive to stay away from juvenile names.

You'd be surprised.. All it takes is one complaint...

I know of a chapter who was in huge trouble with their GLO because a member at a Halloween party dressed as a (pretty funny) African American who's famous, and they painted their face black. One person was offended, they reported it to the school, the national organization caught wind of it, and the whole chapter was in trouble for it.

That NHQ reacted poorly.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I'm obviously thinking from a non-IFC/NPC POV, so my idea of a party is different. With us, we host our events at a club (or similar location) and use quarter fliers to promote them. We have to get the fliers approved before printing, and if the "wrong" flyer shows up after a party is approved, we get put on social suspension (school and GLO). That's enough incentive to stay away from juvenile names.

Ok, I'll give you this. It's a different situation than a typical party at a fraternity house.

That NHQ reacted poorly.

No doubt. But to assume that a chapter is exempt from punishment because of the actions of one person is ridiculous... especially in this day and age.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

No doubt. But to assume that a chapter is exempt from punishment because of the actions of one person is ridiculous... especially in this day and age.

No -- for an organization to hold an entire chapter accountable for the (non-Greek related) actions of one of its members is ridiculous in this day and age.

Our GLOs are filled with people from all different backgrounds and grown men and women (even if their actions say otherwise). Assuming that 1) the chapter knew what said member was planning on doing and 2) thinking that an 18-year-old could stop a, say, 20-year-old from doing what s/he wants to do is ridiculous.

[Kevin]

I'm sure some Navajo somewhere committed suicide over this. And those poor Conquistadors.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm sure some Navajo somewhere committed suicide over this. And those poor Conquistadors.

Idiocy is best corrected at the onset. When idiots are allowed to take their seemingly humorous thoughts to actions with no correction, people then wonder how they got to the point of "Black face" at fraternity parties.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm sure some Navajo somewhere committed suicide over this. And those poor Conquistadors.

During the period from 1979-1992, suicide rates for Native Americans (a category that includes American Indians and Alaska Natives) were about 1.5 times the national rates-a disproportionate number of suicides (64%) were among young male Native Americans between 15-24 years of age.

In 1998, suicides among European Americans accounted for 84% of all youth suicides, 61% male and 23% female. However, the suicide rate for Native Americans was 19.3 per 100,000, much higher than the overall rate (8.5 per 100,000).

"Among American Indians/Alaska Natives ages 15- to 34-years, suicide is the second leading cause of death."

One incident doesn't truly stand alone.

[DrPhil]

Yes, Native Americans have higher rates of suicide and substance abuse and the structural correlates go above and beyond "being offended" by things like mascots and negative depictions of Native Americans. So, people who are simplistically looking for outcomes based on offended people and hurt feelings will not understand what is embedded in something like "Conquistadors and Navajos." That also applies to gendered images.

[33girl]

Conquistador your stallion stands
In need of company
And like some angel's haloed brow
You reek of purity