A very dressy FLORIDA STATE recruitment!

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Re: upperclassman quota

I don't know enough about FSU's campus to comment on whether this is the best idea for them, so again, I will defer to those who do.

However, there is a very real risk that an upperclassman quota can hurt the smaller chapters in two ways:

1) PNM's who don't like their invites freshman year are far more likely to drop out and think they can give it another go next year.

2) Chapters that often hit quota by taking some of the sophomore released everywhere else will no longer have that way to help their numbers.

3) There may even be PNM's who wait to rush to avoid live-in requirements.

Just saying that there are downsides, and an upperclassman quota would not necessarily mean more women got placed in chapters.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Re: upperclassman quota

I don't know enough about FSU's campus to comment on whether this is the best idea for them, so again, I will defer to those who do.

However, there is a very real risk that an upperclassman quota can hurt the smaller chapters in two ways:

1) PNM's who don't like their invites freshman year are far more likely to drop out and think they can give it another go next year.

2) Chapters that often hit quota by taking some of the sophomore released everywhere else will no longer have that way to help their numbers.

3) There may even be PNM's who wait to rush to avoid live-in requirements.

Just saying that there are downsides, and an upperclassman quota would not necessarily mean more women got placed in chapters.

1) You can't fix stupid.

2) There are enough women rushing that it shouldn't be a problem.

3) Again, you can't fix stupid. If anything, they're more screwed because I don't think live-in reqs say you must live there "junior year" or whatever...just that you must live there for x amount of time. If you're a senior living in a house full of sophomores, it's your own fault.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by 33girl

1) You can't fix stupid.

2) There are enough women rushing that it shouldn't be a problem.

3) Again, you can't fix stupid. If anything, they're more screwed because I don't think live-in reqs say you must live there "junior year" or whatever...just that you must live there for x amount of time. If you're a senior living in a house full of sophomores, it's your own fault.

If you know the campus, and it's the right thing to do, I certainly think it is an option. My point is just that it is not a one-size-fits-all solution that can be applied without considering a bunch of other things first.

[FSUZeta]

every chapter at fsu has met quota for the past several years, according to my information. most of the sororities are above total. The houses typically house between 50-80 members-i can't imagine how they do dinners now-i would imagine they had to go to buffet service.

as at any university, colonization is expensive, but on a campus like fsu, where most of the sororities own their own homes and the homes are absolutely breathtaking,not to mention historical and rim the campus, it is very costly. to be competitive the sorority would have to eventually be housed. there are no lots available-the majority of the houses have been where they are for a loooooong time. there are some sorority houses that fraternities are currently renting that may become available for new groups in the future. i would imagine that sororities would much prefer for other sororities to rent their houses.

there are lots where the fraternities have built houses, but that is off campus and i would pity any sorority who built there. it would not be fun to be out there with the boys! too wild!

i hope that fsu(and uf) will consider an upperclasswoman quota. It seems they work out very well on the campuses that use them, but even if they use one, it will not be a panacea.

typically, colonies are given a few years to get their act together before another group is brought on and i agree with this philosophy. it does no good to bring on a colony/chapter if they are not given the chance to thrive.

[FSUCasper]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Re: upperclassman quota

I don't know enough about FSU's campus to comment on whether this is the best idea for them, so again, I will defer to those who do.

However, there is a very real risk that an upperclassman quota can hurt the smaller chapters in two ways:

1) PNM's who don't like their invites freshman year are far more likely to drop out and think they can give it another go next year.

2) Chapters that often hit quota by taking some of the sophomore released everywhere else will no longer have that way to help their numbers.

3) There may even be PNM's who wait to rush to avoid live-in requirements.

Just saying that there are downsides, and an upperclassman quota would not necessarily mean more women got placed in chapters.

All of these are valid points that need to be considered; however, with the renewed interest in greeklife membership at FSU, even given the current economy, I think FSU PH needs to seriously consider (1) increasing campus chapter total (which I have heard through the grapevine may be increased from 150 to 170 this semester - which may open up some chapters to COB in spring - especially with more than a handful graduating from each chapter in December every year), (2) definitely set an upperclassman quota, and (3) look at extending to an additional NPC chapter within the next 2 years, if these numbers remain that high. FSU Recruitment has gotten way too, competitive and especially impacting further the current anti-legacy trend in most chapters on campus - it is not helping with their continued alumnae support base that's for sure. However, having said all of that, unfortunately, there is still at least one struggling chapter on campus who did not make quota this year and remains about half the size of other chapters - by choice? I don't know the answer, but maybe, if so, then they are finally getting more quality women. Either that, or they are playing their numbers game wrong and focusing on PNM's who may release them anyway. And, as strong as this chapter's alumnae are in the area, they still need help with Recruitment. Either way, FSU needs to look long and hard at their options for improving the process.

[TriDeltaSallie]

Originally Posted by FSUCasper

FSU Recruitment has gotten way too, competitive and especially impacting further the current anti-legacy trend in most chapters on campus - it is not helping with their continued alumnae support base that's for sure.

Could you explain this more? Why are the chapters anti-legacy? Do you mean the alumnae aren't helping the chapters out of retaliation that their girl didn't get selected?