Shoe In??

[DrPhil]

Pardon me as I just learned the difference between NIC and IFC a year or so ago. I always called it IFC and didn't know that was the local entity until some GCer cyber smacked me one day. LOL.

Okay, so IFCs may have regulations and consequences. That's interesting and I'd be interested to see whether that is or isn't the case.

ETA: When I talk about regulations and consequences, I'm not saying they have to come from the council or conference. I was simply saying that the regulations and consequences should exist for the NIC fraternities regardless of whether they come from NIC, IFC, or the fraternities themselves.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Pardon me as I just learned the difference between NIC and IFC a year or so ago. I always called it IFC and didn't know that was the local entity until some GCer cyber smacked me one day. LOL.

Okay, so IFCs may have regulations and consequences. That's interesting and I'd be interested to see whether that is or isn't the case.

TBH, I haven't heard of local IFCs having consequences, either. The IFCs I'm familiar with usually host a "Meet The Greeks"-type event, but after that, it's (for lack of a better term) a free for all.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

TBH, I haven't heard of local IFCs having consequences, either. The IFCs I'm familiar with usually host a "Meet The Greeks"-type event, but after that, it's (for lack of a better term) a free for all.

I'm thinking any "consequences" would be more for things like bidding people who aren't eligible (grades, class standing if it's deferred rush, people who aren't enrolled at the school etc) knowingly.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I'm thinking any "consequences" would be more for things like bidding people who aren't eligible (grades, class standing if it's deferred rush, people who aren't enrolled at the school etc) knowingly.

Bidding =/= rushing, though

But yeah, in those situations, the consequences would come from school or the individual fraternities, not NIC or IFC.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

But yeah, in those situations, the consequences would come from school or the individual fraternities, not NIC or IFC.

My ETA above clarified that I was saying that these regulations and consequences (hopefully) exist regardless of whether they come from the fraternities, NIC, or IFC. The notion that the regulations do not exist (regardless of where they come from) or that they MIGHT exist "but who knows" is baffling to me.

Bidding =/= rushing but there's inappropriate stuff that tends to happen before you get to improper bidding.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

My ETA above clarified that I was saying that these regulations and consequences (hopefully) exist regardless of whether they come from the fraternities, NIC, or IFC. The notion that the regulations do not exist (regardless of where they come from) or that they MIGHT exist "but who knows" is baffling to me.

Bidding =/= rushing but there's inappropriate stuff that tends to happen before you get to improper bidding.

Yea, I saw the ETA, but I was responding to 33girl's post.

And in NIC world, you're told to check out each organization to see where you'll best fit. It's up to the rushee to make sure he gets to know as many people as possible so he can make an informed decision. It's not really "dirty" rushing because everyone is encouraged to use "365 recruitment" -- therefore, there aren't silent periods or times when it's inappropriate to talk to a rushee.

Bidding someone who isn't eligible, though, is a different story.

[DTD Alum]

First, it might honestly be just an expression and not a guarantee...somebody could have just thrown "oh don't worry, you have a ton in common with us, you're a shoo in" out there to show that he thinks the rushee will get a bid. He might not have meant that he's actually been discussed as a shoo in. I'm sure the context would make it all clear.

Second, I really have no problem with somebody saying this if they truly are a shoo-in. Our chapter never made a final decision until the night before bid day, but I know that some chapters make decisions on certain pledges before school even starts.

Third, I don't think it's dirty rushing. Unlike NPC recruitment, fraternity recruitment is not about seeing every chapter and giving everybody a fair shot. In fact, quite the opposite...we were usually skeptical of a guy if he was not rushing us solely. So saying things like that to keep somebody looking at one chapter only is OK in my book.

On the topic of dirty rushing, I don't think there are national rules for us like there are for NPC. Campuses almost always have dirty rushing rules though. Mine certainly did. The thing about fraternities though is that not one chapter on campus followed the rules. Nobody turned each other in either because of how hypocritical it would be. The most common infractions were hosting secret parties during rush week and taking star rushees out to lunches or sports games before school starts.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Pardon me as I just learned the difference between NIC and IFC a year or so ago. I always called it IFC and didn't know that was the local entity until some GCer cyber smacked me one day. LOL.

Okay, so IFCs may have regulations and consequences. That's interesting and I'd be interested to see whether that is or isn't the case.

It was still a valid question as the NPC does have rather strict national rules about recruitment.