Shoe In?? - Page 2

DrPhil · #1 09-06-2010, 01:19 PM

I'm pretty sure every organization and its corresponding council or conference has regulations and consequences for "dirty" rushing/recruitment/membership intake.

There are different guidelines and perhaps more leniency for NIC as compared to NPC, but I'm sure some regulations and consequences exist. Our organizations didn't become as old and prevalent as they are without regulations against improperly interacting with aspirants and improperly bringing in new members, including but not limited to promising membership and hazing.

In fact, for some organizations, promising someone membership before they have gone through the membership process can be considered hazing or improper member conduct if something happens that prevents the person from becoming a member. Or, the person becomes a member and it is discovered that the person should not have become a member.

knight_shadow · #2 09-06-2010, 01:32 PM

There are definitely rules regarding conduct during pledging/intake, but I've seen nothing for people that are rushing. I can only see that working in a structured/formal recruitment setting, anyway.

DrPhil · #3 09-06-2010, 01:49 PM

@ knightshadow

You're saying that the NIC doesn't have regulations and guidelines (even if considered minuscule and widely ignored) prior to an applicant being accepted for pledging/intake? I can't imagine the NIC organizations not foreseeing a reason to have formal guidelines for rush despite how informal rush is.

Elephant Walk · #4 09-06-2010, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

You're saying that the NIC doesn't have regulations and guidelines (even if considered minuscule and widely ignored) prior to an applicant being accepted for pledging/intake? I can't imagine the NIC organizations not foreseeing a reason to have formal guidelines for rush despite how informal rush is.

I'm saying if they exist I've never followed them nor heard of them.

That doesn't mean they don't exist.

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But, as an active bringing in new members, wouldn't it be your responsibility to know the guidelines and whether or not any exist? You all don't receive training for bringing in new members?

Nope.

I mean, we don't. Procedures for others may be different.

I think the instructions would be:
"Don't be a creeper."
"Don't rush creepers."
"Bring over as many girls as possible."

DrPhil · #5 09-06-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I'm saying if they exist I've never followed them nor heard of them.

That doesn't mean they don't exist.

Sorry, that post was for knightshadow. That's why we should use the quote function.

Psi U MC Vito · #6 09-06-2010, 02:00 PM

To the best of my knowledge, because of how different the members are, NIC doesn't have any rules regarding membership. Local IFCs might of course.

DrPhil · #7 09-06-2010, 02:09 PM

Pardon me as I just learned the difference between NIC and IFC a year or so ago. I always called it IFC and didn't know that was the local entity until some GCer cyber smacked me one day. LOL.

Okay, so IFCs may have regulations and consequences. That's interesting and I'd be interested to see whether that is or isn't the case.

ETA: When I talk about regulations and consequences, I'm not saying they have to come from the council or conference. I was simply saying that the regulations and consequences should exist for the NIC fraternities regardless of whether they come from NIC, IFC, or the fraternities themselves.

knight_shadow · #8 09-06-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Pardon me as I just learned the difference between NIC and IFC a year or so ago. I always called it IFC and didn't know that was the local entity until some GCer cyber smacked me one day. LOL.

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Okay, so IFCs may have regulations and consequences. That's interesting and I'd be interested to see whether that is or isn't the case.

TBH, I haven't heard of local IFCs having consequences, either. The IFCs I'm familiar with usually host a "Meet The Greeks"-type event, but after that, it's (for lack of a better term) a free for all.

33girl · #9 09-06-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

TBH, I haven't heard of local IFCs having consequences, either. The IFCs I'm familiar with usually host a "Meet The Greeks"-type event, but after that, it's (for lack of a better term) a free for all.

I'm thinking any "consequences" would be more for things like bidding people who aren't eligible (grades, class standing if it's deferred rush, people who aren't enrolled at the school etc) knowingly.

knight_shadow · #10 09-06-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

I'm thinking any "consequences" would be more for things like bidding people who aren't eligible (grades, class standing if it's deferred rush, people who aren't enrolled at the school etc) knowingly.

Bidding =/= rushing, though

But yeah, in those situations, the consequences would come from school or the individual fraternities, not NIC or IFC.

DrPhil · #11 09-06-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

But yeah, in those situations, the consequences would come from school or the individual fraternities, not NIC or IFC.

My ETA above clarified that I was saying that these regulations and consequences (hopefully) exist regardless of whether they come from the fraternities, NIC, or IFC. The notion that the regulations do not exist (regardless of where they come from) or that they MIGHT exist "but who knows" is baffling to me.

Bidding =/= rushing but there's inappropriate stuff that tends to happen before you get to improper bidding.

Psi U MC Vito · #12 09-06-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Pardon me as I just learned the difference between NIC and IFC a year or so ago. I always called it IFC and didn't know that was the local entity until some GCer cyber smacked me one day. LOL.

Okay, so IFCs may have regulations and consequences. That's interesting and I'd be interested to see whether that is or isn't the case.

It was still a valid question as the NPC does have rather strict national rules about recruitment.

pshsx1 · #13 09-06-2010, 04:38 PM

The NIC isn't really concerned with being Big Brother like the NPC is (I'm using the term 'Big Brother' kind of loosely). From what I know, the NIC is just concerned with ensuring good relations between all of its member orgs, not making sure that they're all functioning exactly the same.

Usually, IFCs have rules on "dirty rushing." I know that my school's IFC doesn't allow bids to be given out between the start of summer and the beginning of Rush. Otherwise, the rules are pretty loosely laid out.

Elephant Walk · #14 09-06-2010, 08:05 PM

Now that I think about it, we have a few rules from our local IFC (but they're not national rules because I don't they could manage in a non-formal setting)

No hotboxing (that's what she said)
No getting rushees drunk during formal rush.

I mean, I was a Rho Chi and I'm pretty sure those were the only "infractions" we were suppose to be looking for.

JohnnyCash · #15 09-07-2010, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Now that I think about it, we have a few rules from our local IFC (but they're not national rules because I don't they could manage in a non-formal setting)

No hotboxing (that's what she said)
No getting rushees drunk during formal rush.

I mean, I was a Rho Chi and I'm pretty sure those were the only "infractions" we were suppose to be looking for.

You can't smoke pot with the rushees???