'Are You Muslim?' Hate Crime

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

You can't prove that there isn't "social control" in that analogy. Maybe that was the guys intent. His intent was to terrorize anyone that cheats. You don't know, and the law won't know.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, everyone else knows what "social control" means.

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Let's put this one out there:
If the precedent for the law was to protect the majority from the minority, then clearly if a black person kills a white person, and says expressly that he hates white people... he should only get simple murder. Or does it apply to all? And then, what necessity is the precedence if it applies to all?

This is when I must tell you to research. The origin of hate crime legislation does not mean that those who target the majority cannot be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It means that the legislation covers group victimization that is GENERALLY that of the minority.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, everyone else knows what "social control" means.

When using broad terms such as "social control" one can construe it into any such form.

This is when I must tell you to research. The origin of hate crime legislation does not mean that those who target the majority cannot be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It means that the legislation covers group victimization that is GENERALLY that of the minority.

Yes, I know. I was using that person's definition.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

When using broad terms such as "social control" one can construe it into any such form.

Social control is not a broad term.

It means exactly what it sounds like. It is a macro-level approach to a sense of threat. Harming someone who cheats on you because you hate cheaters (as many people do) is not a social control mechanism.