NYC community board OKs ground zero mosque plans

[DaemonSeid]

with all this bickering back and forth about this, I guess people forgot that there is a place (a non denominational chapel) in the Pentagon where Muslims are allowed to worship...I guess no one minds that.

@Splash, the memorial is going to be the building that they are building on the site....heh

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

with all this bickering back and forth about this, I guess people forgot that there is a place (a non denominational chapel) in the Pentagon where Muslims are allowed to worship...I guess no one minds that.

Why does that matter? It is a chapel. The overall point isn't to eliminate Muslims or keep Muslims from having places to worship.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

There are also people who lost loved ones who are in favor of it. Calling on the memory of the victims as a means to decry this effort is emotionally abusive and one-sided.

Right, and as I said I disagree with them. But I can see that viewpoint, regardless of my own feelings.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This is a topic because Muslim is not the dominant religion in America.

I know you know this (and probably just typed the wrong word) but the religion is Islam. A Muslim is someone who follows Islam.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by epchick

I know you know this (and probably just typed the wrong word) but the religion is Islam. A Muslim is someone who follows Islam.

Reading my post would tell you that I knew that.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

Right, and as I said I disagree with them. But I can see that viewpoint, regardless of my own feelings.

I was agreeing!

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I was agreeing!

Gotcha.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Well, of course, and I don't understand why people keep bringing up the JCC and YMCA.

I was under the understanding (and it may be mistaken) that this was more than "just a mosque" - I thought it was supposed to be a multi-level community center.

The comparison may not fit completely with what the Y has become in recent decades, but I think it certainly fits with JCC in terms of place of worship/community center/athletics facilities/daycare and all the other things a JCC does in a community.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

The fact that it's not a federal issue is sort of beside the point. It's definitely a political issue, and the president is a political as well as a governmental official. Then there's the whole bully-pulpit thing.

It's a no-win situation. If a he says nothing, he'll be pilloried by political opponents (and perhaps by political allies) for not taking a stand on the issue. If he says something, he'll be pilloried for what he says. If he says "it's not a federal issue" he'll be criticized for not taking a stand.

It's politics.

Yes and he was at an iftar, it was one of those things where he "had" to say "something."

Originally Posted by agzg

I was under the understanding (and it may be mistaken) that this was more than "just a mosque" - I thought it was supposed to be a multi-level community center.

The comparison may not fit completely with what the Y has become in recent decades, but I think it certainly fits with JCC in terms of place of worship/community center/athletics facilities/daycare and all the other things a JCC does in a community.

Yes, it's more like a JCC with the equivalent of a chapel (dedicated prayer space). Currently it's just a prayer space mostly as overflow from the two other mosques nearby - one more conservative, one very progressive.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

with all this bickering back and forth about this, I guess people forgot that there is a place (a non denominational chapel) in the Pentagon where Muslims are allowed to worship...I guess no one minds that.

I don't see the similarity between a non-denominational DoD operated chapel and a privately funded and owned Islamic center.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I don't see the similarity between a non-denominational DoD operated chapel and a privately funded and owned Islamic center.

"OMG MUSLIMS WORSHIP WHERE AMERICANS DIED*"

*non-whites, non-Christians, foreign visitors or employees and anyone who didn't vote for our guy excluded


If people had been arguing against an Islamic Center instead of a "Mosque at Ground Zero" you'd have a point

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

"OMG MUSLIMS WORSHIP WHERE AMERICANS DIED*"

*non-whites, non-Christians, foreign visitors or employees and anyone who didn't vote for our guy excluded


If people had been arguing against an Islamic Center instead of a "Mosque at Ground Zero" you'd have a point

What??

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

What??

The people raising a huge fuss were arguing about there being a "mosque at Ground Zero." Currently there are Muslims praying at the Pentagon with amazingly no ill effects.

While you're right, park51 and the space at the Pentagon are different, people weren't making any such distinctions when it suited them.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

The people raising a huge fuss were arguing about there being a "mosque at Ground Zero." Currently there are Muslims praying at the Pentagon with amazingly no ill effects.

While you're right, park51 and the space at the Pentagon are different, people weren't making any such distinctions when it suited them.

I don't think people are upset about muslims practicing their faith, I think it boils down to a large group of people that think putting this center near ground zero is in bad taste and they are being very vocal about it.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Splash

It's not ON ground zero, it's near it, just as close as any other building could be.

Some of the other things in similar proximity are OTB and a titty bar.

Just saying is all.