Prop 8 is to get a ruling today

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Originally Posted by KSig RC

Wait . . . what? I was making fun of your preferential (and likely incorrect) application of a global principal to an innocuous sentence - here's a synopsis of what happened:

POSTER: "Other nations adopted gay marriage much sooner than we did."
YOU: "BUT YOU CAN'T PROVE HOMOSEXUALS ARE BETTER OFF THERE AS A RESULT!"

I mean . . . you're arguing a point nobody made. That's all I was saying, duder. Feel free to rage against the machine though.



Now, at what point do you think I said "Live your life at face-value alone, free of a critical eye"? Honestly, nobody made ANY argument that Argentina is a "greater nation" than the US or that they were miles ahead in gay rights as a whole - just that they did the marriage thing first. Ahead. In temporal terms. While you should look at society, social norms, etc. with a critical eye, sometimes it's ok to view a throw-away sentence for what it's worth, and your blood pressure might even drop.

Words have meaning. And understanding that meaning literally doesn't kill people "all the time" at all.



Yes, they get away with genocide because message board posters say things like "well, the ethnic minorities got water from Clinton - they were way ahead." That's how Darfur happened, totally.

It's kind of ironic that you're oversimplifying after accusing me of gross oversimplification.

Let's try again, though - things that are demonstrably true: other nations are ahead of the United States in terms of adopting marriage rights for homosexuals.

Things that are not demonstrably true: Rwanda happened because people assumed small advances in marriage rights for a minority indicated a larger trend, so folks looked the other way while millions were murdered.

Occam's Razor. For real.

EDIT: After re-reading, this might come off as harsh and I really don't mean it to be (happy hour wins again) - I feel what you're saying, but think about what you're accusing me of here, and realize exactly how limited my point (and the original point) really is, and I think you'll see that you're a bit beyond the pale.

Proof 1:

"POSTER: "Other nations adopted gay marriage much sooner than we did."
YOU: "BUT YOU CAN'T PROVE HOMOSEXUALS ARE BETTER OFF THERE AS A RESULT!"

My question was specifically for those who actually DID say other countries are so ahead of us. Go back and actually read those previous before I made my sideline comment. Don't summarize.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Don't forget that the central and south American countries are ahead of us, too.

I accuse you of oversimplification because you asked me to simplify. (You know the infamous, I would live a happier life if I accept things at face-value.) That is what got the more so harsher response from me. It's like patting me on the top of my head and telling me "There, there, don't worry about things like that it will make your head explode.

So I do want to know the intent behind being ahead. That's where we get into issues a law to me does not denote ahead.