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08-03-2010, 01:21 PM
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wrong. the fact that the law specifically states illegal aliens, indicates who they're intending to go after. nowhere in the bill does it state anything about race. DS is inferring race. i'm not inferring illegal aliens.
i'm not worried about the feeling of illegal aliens.
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But you, yourself stated that the highest abounts of illegals in the country and in Az ARE Hispanics.
There is no other state right now that is taking a more aggressive stance against illegal immigrants, WHO ALSO are Hispanic, who ALSO form a large majority of that state than Arizona...I mean Texas has postured, and I believe California has also. Virginia has laws on their books...but do this, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Arizona is not just targeting Hispanic people.
have we heard about them going after illegal Asians, Greeks or Polish people?
No.
What about Cubans, Haitians or Brazialians?
No.
African Americans? ...maybe.
Manybe I have been under a rock all this time but for some reason, every time I hear or see images about the Arizona immigration issue, I see old white lawmakers going after what looks to be Latino people...so I think you have a difficult case in proving for a fact that this law covers ALL illegals and is not singling out one race in particular.
maybe it's just my POV but also after being a victim of profiling I may have a bit of bias with with this law.
BTW, you never did answer my question...I will take that as you don't have an answer.
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08-03-2010, 01:23 PM
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But you, yourself stated that the highest abounts of illegals in the country and in Az ARE Hispanics.
There is no other state right now that is taking a more aggressive stance against illegal immigrants, WHO ALSO are Hispanic, who ALSO form a large majority of that state than Arizona...I mean Texas has postured, and I believe California has also. Virginia has laws on their books...but do this, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Arizona is not just targeting Hispanic people.
have we heard about them going after illegal Asians, Greeks or Polish people?
No.
What about Cubans, Haitians or Brazialians?
No.
African Americans? ...maybe.
Manybe I have been under a rock all this time but for some reason, every time I hear or see images about the Arizona immigration issue, I see old white lawmakers going after what looks to be Latino people...so I think you have a difficult case in proving for a fact that this law covers ALL illegals and is not singling out one race in particular.
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it's targetting illegal aliens. 5/6 illegal aliens are of hispanic decent. that doesn't mean that it's targettig hispanics. unless you're insinuating that hispanics are all illegal.
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08-03-2010, 01:26 PM
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unless you're insinuating that hispanics are all illegal.
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Nope...that's what Arizona is doing.
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In other words, YOU PERSONALLY don't have an answer...thanks.
You know you are mad when you try to make someone go to wikipedia.... 
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08-03-2010, 01:29 PM
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Nope...that's what Arizona is doing.
In other words, YOU PERSONALLY don't have an answer...thanks.
You know you are mad when you try to make someone go to wikipedia.... |
no, that's what you're doing. don't let your bias cloud your judgement.
if you clicked the link, then you'd realize that that site cites the studies it gets it's numbers from. but strictly for the unmotivated and lazy:
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...LL_PE_2005.pdf
windmilling shows how little you actually know.
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08-03-2010, 01:33 PM
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no, that's what you're doing. don't let your bias cloud your judgement.
if you clicked the link, then you'd realize that that site cites the studies it gets it's numbers from. but strictly for the unmotivated and lazy:
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...LL_PE_2005.pdf
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So stop being unmovitivated and lazy and answer, where do YOU think they got the estimates from...anyone can click a website. I asked YOU to answer the question.
I can go to Pew, I can go to wikipedia, hell I can call my s/o (who works for DHS)on the phone and ask HER to pull stats....I didn't.
I asked YOU for your opinion.
If you are citing websites, at least tell me why you used them...or is that too hard?
oh yeah...BTW it's 'descent'.
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08-03-2010, 01:39 PM
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So stop being unmovitivated and lazy and answer, where do YOU think they got the estimates from...anyone can click a website. I asked YOU to answer the question.
I can go to Pew, I can go to wikipedia, hell I can call my s/o (who works for DHS)on the phone and ask HER to pull stats....I didn't.
I asked YOU for your opinion.
If you are citing websites, at least tell me why you used them...or is that too hard?
oh yeah...BTW it's 'descent'.
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this is your question
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how do we know then that they make up a high amount of the population?
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because pew hispanic center said so.
because the dhs said so.
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08-03-2010, 01:42 PM
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this is your question
because pew hispanic center said so.
because the dhs said so.
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MUCH better...that wasn't so hard now was it?
Now...why did you choose those particular websites to prove your point?
What makes them better than say...the Census bureau's website?
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