Feds to file lawsuit over Arizona immigration law

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by starang21

LOL. not necessarily.

All you're doing is saying "Nuh uh" and "Not necessarily" and "you don't know that for sure."

So what are they doing?

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

All you're doing is saying "Nuh uh" and "Not necessarily" and "you don't know that for sure."

So what are they doing?

they're writing a law targeting illegal aliens.

i figure that much is obvious.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by starang21

they're writing a law targeting illegal aliens.

i figure that much is obvious.

So you know their intent?

(Using aliens is an example of dehumanizing, since you were struggling with the concept earlier.)

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

So you know their intent?

(Using aliens is an example of dehumanizing, since you were struggling with the concept earlier.)

no. i read the law.

aliens is the correct term.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alien

1. a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by starang21

no. i read the law.

aliens is the correct term.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alien

1. a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization

So you don't know their intent either?

And using a "correct term" doesn't make it an "appropriate term."

Dictionaries define a lot of things.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

So you don't know their intent either?

And using a "correct term" doesn't make it an "appropriate term."

Dictionaries define a lot of things.

it specifically states illegal or undocumented aliens in the law. so unless it says something else on a magical page that i didn't see, that's who it's intended to target.

appropriate is a matter of perspective. what you think is appropriate might not be what someone else views as appropriate. that doesn't change the fact that it's correct.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by starang21

it specifically states illegal or undocumented aliens in the law. so unless it says something else on a magical page that i didn't see, that's who it's intended to target.

appropriate is a matter of perspective. what you think is appropriate might not be what someone else views as appropriate. that doesn't change the fact that it's correct.

I think you are are missing is what's "correct" vs what leaves you with a swollen lip.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by starang21

it specifically states illegal or undocumented aliens in the law. so unless it says something else on a magical page that i didn't see, that's who it's intended to target.

appropriate is a matter of perspective. what you think is appropriate might not be what someone else views as appropriate. that doesn't change the fact that it's correct.

You specifically challenged DS by saying he didn't know what the lawmakers' intents were. The law they wrote literally only shows the actions. You have no greater an idea of their intent than DS does and his reading is not less valid because you disagree.

Usually you go with what the people in the population prefer, similar with racial, ethnic, gender, sexuality and any other identity oriented language. Just because the dictionary says X doesn't mean that X is a good word to use.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And using a "correct term" doesn't make it an "appropriate term."

Dictionaries define a lot of things.

I don't see the word "alien" as being dehumanizing, it is used in the INA and other laws to describe non citizens. How about we use undocumented migrant from now on.?

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Using aliens is an example of dehumanizing

I use "undocumented residents." The term "illegal alien" is uncouth.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I use "undocumented residents." The term "illegal alien" is uncouth.

I tend to fall on illegal immigrants as it is as close to neutral as I can use without typically getting harassed for *~*ignoring*~* that they're here illegally.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by starang21

they're writing a law targeting illegal aliens who also happen to be Hispanics who, as I just said make up a majority of the population of Arizona, a border state.

i figure that much is obvious.

There...fixed that for you.

Just an oddball question...if they are illegal and undocumented, how do we know then that they make up a high amount of the population?

[starang21]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

There...fixed that for you.

Just an oddball question...if they are illegal and undocumented, how do we know then that they make up a high amount of the population?

http://pewhispanic.org/

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by starang21

http://pewhispanic.org/

Let me try this again, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, without me having to screw around with statistics and websites, can you answer the question?

[starang21]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Let me try this again, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, without me having to screw around with statistics and websites, can you answer the question?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal...gal_immigrants

screw with these statistics. that's my answer.