Feds to file lawsuit over Arizona immigration law

[DaemonSeid]

Senator John Kyl wants to repeal the 14th Amendment

And Lindsay Graham also


Seriously dude??? Wow.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Senator John Kyl wants to repeal the 14th Amendment


Seriously dude??? Wow.

He doesn't want to repeal the whole thing, just the part giving citizenship birth. That'd be a pretty rational thing to do considering the state of things.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

He doesn't want to repeal the whole thing, just the part giving citizenship birth. That'd be a pretty rational thing to do considering the state of things.

The result would be an underclass of people who were not citizens of the US or any other country. Those people would HAVE to work under the table. It's a stupid idea no matter ~*the state of things*~

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

The result would be an underclass of people who were not citizens of the US or any other country. Those people would HAVE to work under the table. It's a stupid idea no matter ~*the state of things*~

Mexico and most other countries will grant citizenship to children of citizens. If their citizens are here illegally and have anchor babies, why should it be our problem? Why further victimize innocent American taxpayers with people who shouldn't be here in the first place who will be receiving thousands in subsidies? How is that sane?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Mexico and most other countries will grant citizenship to children of citizens. If their citizens are here illegally and have anchor babies, why should it be our problem? Why further victimize innocent American taxpayers with people who shouldn't be here in the first place who will be receiving thousands in subsidies? How is that sane?

You're assuming the children are a "problem." They're citizens. 2nd and 3rd generations assimilate into American society. Even the non-citizen children, the ones targeted by the DREAM Act, are fully functioning productive members of society.

And furthermore how would revoking the children's citizenship actually relieve any burden? If they're here they're still going to get medical care for example.

Finally what happens when those non-citizen children have children?

The constitution declares that Mexicans by birth—that is, natural born Mexicans—are:[1]

* those individuals born in Mexican territory regardless of the nationality of their parents;
* those individuals born abroad if one or both of their parents was a Mexican national born in Mexican territory;
* those individuals born abroad if one or both of their parents was a Mexican national by naturalization; and
* those individuals born in Mexican merchant or Navy ships or Mexican merchant or Army aircrafts

First generation comes here, second generation is born here, third generation has NO citizenship (or nationality as Mexico defines it). None. We're a country of immigrants, some brought here by force, some by deceit, some for opportunity.

Immigrants are not why "the state of things" are bad. California is not going bankrupt because of illegal immigrants. Yet they get the blame for all of it because it's easier than fixing the problem.

[DaemonSeid]

^^^ **GASP*** Hispanics are divided over this??? OOOhhhh NOOOOESSSS!

Originally Posted by Drolefille

We're a country of immigrants, some brought here by force, some by deceit, some for opportunity.

That's it in a nutshell. A country full of hypocrites.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

That's it in a nutshell. A country full of hypocrites.

This and what Drole said are what I don't understand about peoples hatred of immigrants (legal or illegal) unless you are a Native American somewhere in your family is an immigrant. Hypocrisy is the perfect term to describe it.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

First generation comes here, second generation is born here, third generation has NO citizenship (or nationality as Mexico defines it). None. We're a country of immigrants, some brought here by force, some by deceit, some for opportunity.

I'm with you for the most part, but this confused me. If the second generation is eligible to be natural-born Mexicans, then their children (third generation) are the children of natural-born Mexicans and are, therefore, natural-born Mexicans.

Am I reading it wrong?

Originally Posted by Kevin

The bill expressly says that race is not a factor in reaching probable cause.

We've been over that.

Right. Racial profiling will be eliminated because the bill says so. Got it.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I'm with you for the most part, but this confused me. If the second generation is eligible to be natural-born Mexicans, then their children (third generation) are the children of natural-born Mexicans and are, therefore, natural-born Mexicans.

Am I reading it wrong?

The second generation would only be natural-born because the parents were born WITHIN Mexican territory. So the third generation would be ineligible, because, although the parents were natural-born, they were not born within Mexican territory.