"Best" Colleges and their Greek Systems

[33girl]

@ littleowl33: Was JHU all male previously? Why did it take them so long to get sororities?

Also, I'm having trouble with the nomenclature in this thread. To me, "state schools" are former teachers' colleges in PA, KS, NY State and a few others that have been Universities for the past 30 years. They are outright owned by the state. UWM, U of I, IU - those are "flagship" schools and a whole different category. Penn State and Pitt (and Temple and Lincoln) are state related, but they are not state owned. I don't know how it works elsewhere.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by 33girl

@ littleowl33: Was JHU all male previously? Why did it take them so long to get sororities?

Also, I'm having trouble with the nomenclature in this thread. To me, "state schools" are former teachers' colleges in PA, KS, NY State and a few others that have been Universities for the past 30 years. They are outright owned by the state. UWM, U of I, IU - those are "flagship" schools and a whole different category. Penn State and Pitt (and Temple and Lincoln) are state related, but they are not state owned. I don't know how it works elsewhere.

Pitt, Penn State, Lincoln, and Temple are all classified as Public Universities instead of Private, not-for-profit, like University of Chicago, or Private, for-profit, like University of Phoenix.

I know they're "state affiliated" according to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, but the Department of Education classifies them as Public.

That's what I'm referring to when I say "State" in reference to NY, PA, etc., - also, NY State has the SUNY system and most "state" colleges and universities fit into that SUNY picture.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by 33girl

@ littleowl33: Was JHU all male previously? Why did it take them so long to get sororities?

Also, I'm having trouble with the nomenclature in this thread. To me, "state schools" are former teachers' colleges in PA, KS, NY State and a few others that have been Universities for the past 30 years. They are outright owned by the state. UWM, U of I, IU - those are "flagship" schools and a whole different category. Penn State and Pitt (and Temple and Lincoln) are state related, but they are not state owned. I don't know how it works elsewhere.

Here, "state school" means "public school" -- created by the State Constitution (the University of North Carolina system as a whole) and the General Assembly (specific institutions within the UNC system or the North Carolina Community College System) and funded by taxpayer money. We have no distinction between "state related" and "state owned," and while UNC-Chapel Hill is often referred to as the UNC System's "flagship" institution, that's mainly a recognition of UNC-CH's historical place and its academic and research ranking. It doesn't mean anything any different with regard to how the school is governed or relates to the state.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Here, "state school" means "public school" -- created by the State Constitution (the University of North Carolina system as a whole) and the General Assembly (specific institutions within the UNC system or the North Carolina Community College System) and funded by taxpayer money. We have no distinction between "state related" and "state owned," and while UNC-Chapel Hill is often referred to as the UNC System's "flagship" institution, that's mainly a recognition of UNC-CH's historical place and its academic and research ranking. It doesn't mean anything any different with regard to how the school is governed or relates to the state.

Here too, state school = public. If there's any other ranking among them it's a slight negative perception towards "directional schools" i.e. ones that mention North, South, etc. in their names. And that's mostly gone away as those smaller cheaper state schools have come to be seen as a good education for a cheaper price than UIUC, UIC, etc.

The general public doesn't distinguish between "flagship" schools and state schools though the U of I has an excellent reputation statewide. I suspect there's probably a Chicago/rest of the state difference too, but I can't speak to that.

[littleowl33]

Originally Posted by 33girl

@ littleowl33: Was JHU all male previously? Why did it take them so long to get sororities?

That's correct - JHU was all-male until 1970. Beta Theta Pi was the first GLO on campus (in 1877, just a year after the university was founded) but the first NPC groups didn't come on until the early 1980's. I would guess they had to wait those 10 years for there to be enough of a female student body to support the colonization of our two first sororities (Alpha Phi and Phi Mu in 1981). I've heard that some NPHC sororities had sisters on campus in the 70's but I don't know this for sure.