B.E. article on APhiA Arizona Boycott.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Same issue applies.....

It's not the origin of their country, it is the fact that they are illegal.


It's just that in this part of Texas, illegal Hispanics seem to be the most common. Besides, of the Europeans that I know, they really don't have a hard time getting visas to stay in the US. For everyone else, it can be a very long and very expensive process.

Most of the "white" illegal aliens find themselves in that situation by overstaying their temp visas or end up being deported by default for failing to appear before a immigration judge when summoned. Once you are in the system and have your "green card" it's easy to stay current and legal. The problem with overstays is that it's near impossible to find them and if they happen to live in a sanctuary city.... Well, they might be able to stay hidden from immigration authorities forever.

The thing about "white" immigrants and why it seems they have it easier than poorer immigrants is because they do have it easier. Some things to consider.
1. Quotas- the US only issues out so many imm and non-imm visas a year, giving each country in the world a portion of them. Typically the visas in third world or poorer countries get snapped up first because more people are trying to leave those countries for the US than people already living in an industrialized nation, like EU countries. That's why it seems like they can get here "faster".

2. MONEY. You have to have it. You even have to prove that you have it and won't be a public burden. If you don't have a pot to piss in the US is not going to issue you a imm visa just so you can get off the plane and head straight to the welfare office. A lot of the immigrants coming from Mexico are deemed ineligible because of this fact that they have little to no money.

3. Actually applying- I work with immigrants and from my personal experience, it's easier for them to find someone willing to smuggle them over than it is to find someone willing to help them fill out the application. It's almost ingrained, especially in the smaller citys and pueblas, that if you want to go to America, just cross the river at night. I ask every single one if they have petitioned or applied for any sort of entry document and the answer is no 99.8% of the time. Obviously, when it comes to Europeans or Asians, they won't even be able to get on the plane without a valid passport/visa. Also, if you can drop a grand for a flight to NYC you can afford to spend a couple hundred more for your imm paperwork.

So I'm gonna say that it's not necessarily white imm VS brown imm, it's just that immigrants from Latin American countries just don't have the means or ways to immigrate like the ones from industrialized nations do.

It is what it is....

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

So I'm gonna say that it's not necessarily white imm VS brown imm, it's just that immigrants from Latin American countries just don't have the means or ways to immigrate like the ones from industrialized nations do.

Socioeconomic status is highly correlated with race and ethnicity nationally and internationally. It is almost impossible to distinguish the effect of "white vs brown" from the effect of capital because it is no coincidence where the poverty lies in the world.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Socioeconomic status is highly correlated with race and ethnicity nationally and internationally. It is almost impossible to distinguish the effect of "white vs brown" from the effect of capital because it is no coincidence where the poverty lies in the world.

Sigmadiva, read this post and think about your reply to my other post. Your reply made absolutely no sense to me.

The correlation is not a loose one. It is a high correlation, just as it is when discussing race and social class in America. Just as when discussing social issues in America, if it's a matter of the "haves and have nots," it's basically synonymous with it being a matter of race and ethnicity. There are social patterns in who the "haves and have nots" are. We know where to find the "have nots" in the poor neighborhoods in America and in the poor countries in the world. We call it "city planning" in America and I call it "country planning" in the world.

So, as I said, people need to stop dancing around the issue. Stop pretending as though this is just a matter of the lucky ones with the money as though that's a coincidence. Stop pretending as though the country of origin and race and ethnicity don't matter...unless we're suddenly talking about drug cartels. Facing the inequality of the immigration debate doesn't mean that we agree with illegal immigration and are opposed to regulations. It means that we are being HONEST about the issues at hand and the pros and cons of the laws that are enacted. Put our brains and social consciousness to good use.

[BluPhire]

Well either way a judge just blocked the controversial parts of the law.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100728/...na_immigration

PHOENIX – A judge has blocked the most controversial sections of Arizona's new immigration law from taking effect Thursday, handing a major legal victory to opponents of the crackdown.
The law will still take effect Thursday, but without many of the provisions that angered opponents — including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws. The judge also put on hold a part of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places.
U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton put those controversial sections on hold until the courts resolve the issues.
Opponents say the law will lead to racial profiling and is trumped by federal immigration law.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The sheriff of the most populous county in Arizona says he's "not going to put up with any civil disobedience" when the state's new immigration law takes effect.
Maricopa Sheriff Joe Arpaio says that if protesters want to block his jail, he'll put them in it.
The Arizona law, which takes effect Thursday, requires officers enforcing other laws to check a person's immigration status if they suspect the person is in the country illegally.
Arpaio told ABC's "Good Morning America" he doesn't know "what the big hype is."
He says it's "a crime to be here illegally and everyone should enforce" the law.

[DrPhil]

Sigmadiva...what? LOL.

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Well either way a judge just blocked the controversial parts of the law.

That's really good, thanks for the link.

rant/

Of course, one judge blocking it doesn't make that ruling final. It also doesn't mean that the controversial parts of the law won't be informally enacted. Also, that link that I posted about people sending lists of illegal (and legal) immigrants means that the ball is already rolling.

/rant

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Your fraternity doesn't work like mine. And the story continues.

That's because his fraternity does not have our history.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Your fraternity doesn't work like mine. And the story continues.

word.