Phi Mu Houses

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Check Dearborn, Michigan... because a couple of our sisters did and there was, in fact, a brothel law prohibiting us to have a house.

The houses are beautiful but I'm glad I only had to pay $25 a month for dues.

Sorry the only citation of that online is you making the same claim 9 years ago. There are zoning laws that can apply, but no documented brothel laws that would ban a sorority house. Snopes provides their sources.

Besides the onus is on the one making the positive claim

ETA: I'll even help, here are the Dearborn Michican ordinances. Up to date as of Sept. 2009.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Sorry the only citation of that online is you making the same claim 9 years ago. There are zoning laws that can apply, but no documented brothel laws that would ban a sorority house. Snopes provides their sources.

Besides the onus is on the one making the positive claim

ETA: I'll even help, here are the Dearborn Michican ordinances. Up to date as of Sept. 2009.

That's awesome, considering I graduated in 2005 and the sisters looked into it around 2000-2001. But I guess the person on the other line was lying when they told the girls about the law?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

That's awesome, considering I graduated in 2005 and the sisters looked into it around 2000-2001. But I guess the person on the other line was lying when they told the girls about the law?

Are you going for sarcasm here? Because odds are, yes they were lying (or innocently passing on incorrect information) since there is no documentation anywhere, including in the one state where prostitution is legal of anti-brothel laws being written in such a way that sorority houses would be excluded. We've discussed this for 10 years on Greek Chat and not once has an actual statute shown up.

The only other websites that put brothel laws and Dearborn together go to a variety of porn sites.

So yes, the onus of proof is on you. Without proof it doesn't exist.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

But I guess the person on the other line was lying when they told the girls about the law?

Well, aside from the distinct possibility that the person on the other end of the line was right about housing being prohibited but wrong about why, did you talk to them yourself or did you hear second- (or third- or fourth-) hand what was said? Did that person actually say that "brothel" laws prohibited sorority houses or did they just say "the law" prohibits them (probably meaning zoning laws) and your sisters supplied the brothel part themselves because they'd heard about how brothel laws ban sorority houses some places?

[AlwaysSAI]

Hey! PhiMu10gammachi went to my Alma Mater!

Hello fellow spartan!

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Are you going for sarcasm here? Because odds are, yes they were lying (or innocently passing on incorrect information) since there is no documentation anywhere, including in the one state where prostitution is legal of anti-brothel laws being written in such a way that sorority houses would be excluded. We've discussed this for 10 years on Greek Chat and not once has an actual statute shown up.

The only other websites that put brothel laws and Dearborn together go to a variety of porn sites.

So yes, the onus of proof is on you. Without proof it doesn't exist.

Ha.

Fox 2 News just did a piece on Alpha Gamma Delta at Wayne State University. It seems they wanted to get a sorority house, but when they looked into it DETROIT HAS A BROTHEL LAW. Yes, it's outdated and old and yes they can appeal, but it is a true thing.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Ha.

Fox 2 News just did a piece on Alpha Gamma Delta at Wayne State University. It seems they wanted to get a sorority house, but when they looked into it DETROIT HAS A BROTHEL LAW. Yes, it's outdated and old and yes they can appeal, but it is a true thing.

Unless there's a citation, it still doesn't exist.

So "ha" all you like. But the burden of proof is still on you.

ETA: Also in your citation, please address why dorms are exempt, and how this law affects Dearborn as that was your original claim.

[PM_Mama00]

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news...-20100810-wpms

Brothel Ordinance Prohibits WSU Sorority Sisters from Living Together
Updated: Tuesday, 10 Aug 2010, 9:07 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 10 Aug 2010, 9:08 PM EDT

By BILL GALLAGHER
myFOXDetroit.com

DETROIT - Members of the Alpha Gamma Delta sorority at Wayne State University hold their chapter meeting on campus. Recently, they looked into buying a house near the campus where many of the sorority sisters hoped to live. However, they ran into an old Detroit ordinance still on the books.

"I'm sort of smiling because it's humorous in the sense that we have all sorts of etiquette ordinances that are still on the books that never really been acted upon, and the ordinance that you're referring to stated that any more than seven or eight females in a house is considered as a brothel," said Wayne State University Police Chief Anthony Holt.

The ordinance from the 19th century, of course, does not apply to males and fraternity houses.

"That's nonsense, shenanigans," said Waye State student Shana Moss. "Doesn't make any sense."

Some see the old law as unfair and discriminatory.

"It's sexist," said Wayne State student Elena Callas. "Completely unfair."

Others find the old law literally laughable.

Wayne State student John Setser chuckled and said, "Wow. How old is that?"

The sorority sisters are looking at their options.

"(They) could get a change in ordinance or they could do sort of an application for a waiver of that ordinance that affects them," Holt said.

Dearborn and Detroit are very similar in ways of the law. I don't have the time or energy to do the proper investigating so you're gona have to deal with that and if you still don't believe it, then call them up yourself if you want to fight it that badly. Last time I checked I graduated college, and you're not my professor giving out an assignment. Get over yourself. You're wrong.