Man Kills 2 Year Old Step-Daughter Over Crying During The World Cup

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I was upset that he killed a two year old. The cracked ribs etc...

Yes, he should get a fair trial, I just hate it when they know they're guilty and then they try to set up some kind of plea bargain...insanity etc. And if he did kill that child, I'm going to continue to think he should burn in hell for that.

What if he repents?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I was upset that he killed a two year old. The cracked ribs etc...

Yes, he should get a fair trial, I just hate it when they know they're guilty and then they try to set up some kind of plea bargain...insanity etc. And if he did kill that child, I'm going to continue to think he should burn in hell for that.

So in other words your original post in this thread -- being pissed off that he'll be protected by America's crappy justice system and will be represented by a lawyer -- actually had nothing to do with this thread? Just checking.

Meanwhile, insanity is not something one works out a plea deal on, nor does it mean you get to go home and live your life because, hey, you were insane. And prosecutors are not likely to agree to a plea deal unless it's also in the state's interest in some way -- a sure conviction on a lesser charge versus iffy convictions on a bigger charge, allocation of limited resources, etc.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by agzg

That's completely fine, just be aware that if you make inflammatory remarks about how someone shouldn't get a fair trial just because you believe he or she is guilty, there are a lot of people on GC that are going to come at you for that. If you don't mind that, then fine, but it's happened about eleventy bazillion times now, and I don't want to see you complaining about the GC meanies, because you bring it on yourself.

Actually agzg, I responded about this to Xanthus when he made those negative remarks about my dad. I said from that point on there are certain people on here that I'm not going to respond/debate to based on just what you said. I don't mind people on here debating with me. In fact, I love to debate, even if I disagree, because I can still learn, a lot. But since we're all individual people who are going to have different opinions, I don't understand the anger from some people. It's the people who can't debate without name calling, degrading someone's intelligence level, etc that I'm not chatting with. I'm just not going to do it anymore, because nothing gets solved, that way. No, I'm not bringing anything on myself, I mean they can say whatever they want. I don't have to read or respond.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

So in other words your original post in this thread -- being pissed off that he'll be protected by America's crappy justice system and will be represented by a lawyer -- actually had nothing to do with this thread? Just checking.

Meanwhile, insanity is not something one works out a plea deal on, nor does it mean you get to go home and live your life because, hey, you were insane. And prosecutors are not likely to agree to a plea deal unless it's also in the state's interest in some way -- a sure conviction on a lesser charge versus iffy convictions on a bigger charge, allocation of limited resources, etc.

Yeah I've worked with some NGRIs. It's not a free trip to a vacation spot. You're committed to a mental hospital for an extended period of time, and even if you manage to get stable, slowly step down on services, and go to college etc. You're still watched by the state.

/figure I'm on her ignore list at this point, mental or otherwise.

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[agzg]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Actually agzg, I responded about this to Xanthus when he made those negative remarks about my dad. I said from that point on there are certain people on here that I'm not going to respond/debate to based on just what you said. I don't mind people on here debating with me. In fact, I love to debate, even if I disagree, because I can still learn, a lot. But since we're all individual people who are going to have different opinions, I don't understand the anger from some people. It's the people who can't debate without name calling, degrading someone's intelligence level, etc that I'm not chatting with. I'm just not going to do it anymore, because nothing gets solved, that way. No, I'm not bringing anything on myself, I mean they can say whatever they want. I don't have to read or respond.

Mmhmm. That post was out of line, and I think most of the people you've categorized as mean before called him on that. My point is that you have been known to bring it upon yourself, in terms of debates like this, and not posts like that. Even with a lot of the Xanthus stuff - you came at him first, and I wish you would remember that.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

What if he repents?

If he repents, then that's up to him and God, not me. Whatever decision God makes, He's justified in doing so.

Originally Posted by MysticCat

So in other words your original post in this thread -- being pissed off that he'll be protected by America's crappy justice system and will be represented by a lawyer -- actually had nothing to do with this thread? Just checking.

Meanwhile, insanity is not something one works out a plea deal on, nor does it mean you get to go home and live your life because, hey, you were insane. And prosecutors are not likely to agree to a plea deal unless it's also in the state's interest in some way -- a sure conviction on a lesser charge versus iffy convictions on a bigger charge, allocation of limited resources, etc.

Yep. Everyone says things sometimes out of anger.

I know they don't get to go home, but don't they get a lighter sentence if they plead insanity?

[agzg]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I know they don't get to go home, but don't they get a lighter sentence if they plead insanity?

Not necessarily. Depends on the case/whether or not they're actually insane. I would think it would be worse to be locked up in a looney bin while being completely sane.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by agzg

Mmhmm. That post was out of line, and I think most of the people you've categorized as mean before called him on that. My point is that you have been known to bring it upon yourself, in terms of debates like this, and not posts like that. Even with a lot of the Xanthus stuff - you came at him first, and I wish you would remember that.

I think you and CG were the only two who called him on that. I chat with you all the time, and I never thought you were mean. At least not to me. Xanthus used to send me PMs that were out of line, so he came at me first!

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yeah I've worked with some NGRIs. It's not a free trip to a vacation spot. You're committed to a mental hospital for an extended period of time, and even if you manage to get stable, slowly step down on services, and go to college etc. You're still watched by the state.

/figure I'm on her ignore list at this point, mental or otherwise.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

If he repents, then that's up to him and God, not me. Whatever decision God makes, He's justified in doing so.



Yep. Everyone says things sometimes out of anger.

I know they don't get to go home, but don't they get a lighter sentence if they plead insanity?

Nope. And what if they actually are insane?

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by agzg

Not necessarily. Depends on the case/whether or not they're actually insane. I would think it would be worse to be locked up in a looney bin while being completely sane.

I agree, makes sense. lol

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Nope. And what if they actually are insane?

I would think that sometimes it would be hard to tell.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by agzg

Not necessarily. Depends on the case/whether or not they're actually insane. I would think it would be worse to be locked up in a looney bin while being completely sane.

Usually you are tracked for at least 1/2 the time your sentence would be - which is possibly slightly less than the 1/3 time you usually get off for good behavior.

And you would not believe how many docs are very very good at keeping non-mentally ill people out of hospitals. Hell I couldn't get some of my mentally ill people INTO the hospital when they needed it as long as they weren't suicidal or homicidal RIGHT then.

You can't just say "i was insane!" It takes evaluation. And it's rare that they'll accept "I was insane but I'm not now." The NGRIs I know were still IN the mental health system decades later. They didn't get an easy out.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I would think that sometimes it would be hard to tell.

Not really.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Not really.

Why? or how?