Man Kills 2 Year Old Step-Daughter Over Crying During The World Cup

[GatorGirl27]

Originally Posted by carnation

I taught in the criminal justice system for 20 years and very often, a man who harmed children got it worse in jail, especially if it got around the building. Even though criminals have done bad things, most of them do love their kids.

Exactly. I'm a criminology major and a research assistant... In the criminal justice system, child and sex offenders are at the bottom of the totem pole. You do not want it to get around your prison that you hurt a kid in any way.

[cheerfulgreek]

Wow, another piece of garbage protected by America's crappy justice system. $$$$$$$

eta: and he'll even get an attorney to represent him in court, even though the evidence is there that he did this to that child. More money wasted on garbage. And I'm sure he'll be able to plead something stupid. Only in America where the criminal is protected.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Wow, another piece of garbage protected by America's crappy justice system. $$$$$$$

eta: and he'll even get an attorney to represent him in court, even though the evidence is there that he did this to that child. More money wasted on garbage. And I'm sure he'll be able to plead something stupid. Only in America where the criminal is protected.

Yeah who cares about a tiny unimportant thing like innocent before proven guilty by a jury of their peers. And I'm confused, how exactly is he protected?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by carnation

I taught in the criminal justice system for 20 years and very often, a man who harmed children got it worse in jail, especially if it got around the building. Even though criminals have done bad things, most of them do love their kids.

Originally Posted by GatorGirl27

Exactly. I'm a criminology major and a research assistant... In the criminal justice system, child and sex offenders are at the bottom of the totem pole. You do not want it to get around your prison that you hurt a kid in any way.

Yes, well my understanding through a DoC worker is that it rarely actually works like that since so many of those in prison are there on sex offenses and many of them offended against children. It's apparently an old 'myth' and in reality in most prisons - not jails - those are the people running things. :-/

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yes, well my understanding through a DoC worker is that it rarely actually works like that since so many of those in prison are there on sex offenses and many of them offended against children. It's apparently an old 'myth' and in reality in most prisons - not jails - those are the people running things. :-/

I've heard both things too, it sounds like it might be a general truth, but how true it is is based on the facility being discussed.

I think a lot of it is what we want to believe. Like I mentioned earlier, a family friend was killed in a car accident last week and the commenters on the newspaper's website all put predicted that the guy who hit her would be raped in prison. He was going to the county jail, in solitary confinement, for DUI.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I've heard both things too, it sounds like it might be a general truth, but how true it is is based on the facility being discussed.

I think a lot of it is what we want to believe. Like I mentioned earlier, a family friend was killed in a car accident last week and the commenters on the newspaper's website all put predicted that the guy who hit her would be raped in prison. He was going to the county jail, in solitary confinement, for DUI.

Well, it makes us feel better in that little revenge corner of our minds to imagine that (usually) he will 'get his' in jail. (And really not that much rape/assault going on in jail vs. prison just due to sheer numbers.)

But you know, wishing rape on someone feels really wrong no matter what. So mostly I hope he feels really shitty about it for the rest of his life. And every time he sees or hears about another kid he gets to relive that shame over and over.

That I can live with.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Wow, another piece of garbage protected by America's crappy justice system. $$$$$$$

eta: and he'll even get an attorney to represent him in court, even though the evidence is there that he did this to that child. More money wasted on garbage. And I'm sure he'll be able to plead something stupid. Only in America where the criminal is protected.

I see your and raise you .

Remember that discussion a few months ago on due process? Time to go back to it.

Or just move to somewhere else where they don't worry about piddly things like due process, innocent until proven guilty, right to counsel, trial by jury and instead just go ahead and execute people on the spot. How does North Korea sound?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I see your and raise you .

Remember that discussion a few months ago on due process? Time to go back to it.

Or just move to somewhere else where they don't worry about piddly things like due process, innocent until proven guilty, trial by jury and instead just go ahead and execute people on the spot. How does North Korea sound?

We know he did it and there weren't any extenuating circumstances and he's clearly just evil so why don't we just kill him now!

No innocent people ever get the benefit of our justice system. Ever.

Duh.

[ThetaDancer]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I see your and raise you .

Remember that discussion a few months ago on due process? Time to go back to it.

Or just move to somewhere else where they don't worry about piddly things like due process, innocent until proven guilty, right to counsel, trial by jury and instead just go ahead and execute people on the spot. How does North Korea sound?

Thank you!

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I see your and raise you .

Remember that discussion a few months ago on due process? Time to go back to it.

Or just move to somewhere else where they don't worry about piddly things like due process, innocent until proven guilty, right to counsel, trial by jury and instead just go ahead and execute people on the spot. How does North Korea sound?

I had a feeling you'd show up. Yep. I remember our discussion, and I still have it. It's just that I don't think he'll get the punishment that he deserves. That was 2 year old child.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

It's just that I don't think he'll get the punishment that he deserves.

He's been charged with capital homicide, so he's facing the death penalty. He gave what appears to be a very incriminating confession, so unless there's some reason it can't come into evidence, I'd say a conviction is very likely; I'd even guess it's likely without the confession. This is in Texas, a place not at all shy about imposing and carrying out death sentences. Under all the circumstances, I'd be amazed if the prosecutor would agree to any plea deal that involved anything less than life in prison, and even that would surprise me.

So why don't you think he'll get the punishment he deserves?

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

He's been charged with capital homicide, so he's facing the death penalty. He gave what appears to be a very incriminating confession, so unless there's some reason it can't come into evidence, I'd say a conviction is very likely; I'd even guess it's likely without the confession. This is in Texas, a place not at all shy about imposing and carrying out death sentences. Under all the circumstances, I'd be amazed if the prosecutor would agree to any plea deal that involved anything less than life in prison, and even that would surprise me.

So why don't you think he'll get the punishment he deserves?

See, that's just it, MC. It's all the plea deals, money, etc that I don't like. Remember our discussion about the money part? If he gets the death penalty, which I'm all for, then why can't they just do away with him right now. Today. Why a death row? I just thought there was going to be some kind of plea deal, that's why I didn't think he was going to get what he deserves.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

See, that's just it, MC. It's all the plea deals, money, etc that I don't like. Remember our discussion about the money part? If he gets the death penalty, which I'm all for, then why can't they just do away with him right now. Today. Why a death row? I just thought there was going to be some kind of plea deal, that's why I didn't think he was going to get what he deserves.

I'm sure you've heard some of the cases about death row inmates who have been exonerated because of new developments coming up.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

If he gets the death penalty, which I'm all for, then why can't they just do away with him right now. Today. Why a death row?

Let's go even more 19th century. It can even be public and involve either a hanging, decapitation, or gun range (I can't believe there's a state that still has that).



Michel Foucault is laughing at me.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

See, that's just it, MC. It's all the plea deals, money, etc that I don't like. Remember our discussion about the money part? If he gets the death penalty, which I'm all for, then why can't they just do away with him right now. Today. Why a death row? I just thought there was going to be some kind of plea deal, that's why I didn't think he was going to get what he deserves.

You may remember our discussion but obviously you didn't understand it if you're asking why we can't just despense with a trial and hang him now. Because. It. Would. Be. Unconstitutional. Not to mention uncivilized.

Seriously, I'm sorry but I just don't have much patience with this. I'll be the first to admit that the criminal justice isn't perfect -- in some cases far from it. And I'll gladly listen to informed criticisms and engage in discussions about them. But I have little patience with criticisms -- complete with s and $s -- that demonstrate appalling ignorance of the some of the basic constitutional principles this country is founded on -- principles that a fifth grader should know.