pan-hel vs. non

[OzzyGrl7]

I apologize. I guess I wasn't clear. ANY organization not in NPHC, PHC, or UCFS would not be recognized by the Office of Fraternity and Sorority Life. It would have to register as an ordinary Student Organization (like the Kickboxing Club). Many of the BGLO if not all on our campus are under the NPHC, so they are recognized. And my previous post isn't meant to exclude BGLO or MCGLO, the same goes for service, music or any other greek letter group. They can call themselves a fraternity or sorority, but they need to be affiliated with an on campus governing council in order for our University to recognize them as a GLO and include them in GLO statistics. That is just how our university works. I was just trying to explain one way in which a university works and that I do understand both sides of the arguement.

[qteasied]

Personally, I don't want to be in a mainstream Pan-Hel sorority. If I did, I'd have rushed again. I didn't feel I fit in with any of them--not because of the color of my skin, but because I wanted to be in a different kind of organization. However, my school is planning on combining all orgs together into a United Council after MSU officially becomes a chapter.

I kinda like that because it will make NPC/IFC Greeks more aware of other Greeks, but BGLO's are different from MCGLO's which are most definitely different from Pan-Hel/IFC. We wouldn't know how to relate to one other as orgs at all. I'd love for all Greeks to be on good terms, but this isn't the best way to go about it.

I think the best thing to do for Greeks to really come together is just to meet to become familiar with the different orgs. Lumping all of us together into the same umbrella org when we have different interests is not going to bring any unity...only more struggle because we wouldn't really have much of a common bond.

[bonelifer]

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
It's a lot easier to say that when you don't have IFC peering over your shoulder watching your every move.

Hmm, I seem to remember at my school this past year a fraternity under the IFC (Sigma Tau Gamma), got their University recogniation revoked and their National Charter revoked. Hmm, what was the reason, "Oh, yeah", they beat a pledge during ritual so badly his KIDNEYS SHUT DOWN and he had to have LARGE SKIN GRAFTS on his ass. This was all done under the watchful eye of the IFC, his Advisor and the Dean of Students(did I mention his Advisor was the Dean of Students). He really seemed to gain something from the IFC peering over this Sigma Tau Gamma chapter's shoulders. Hell, not even having the Dean of Students as their Advisor did any good.

[HollisterDXiChi]

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
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Ok, I did go a little too far not calling them "real", but I know at my campus they do haze, very harshly, and in the open. We were at a supermarket at nigth and saw a multicultural sorority hazing their pledges there. I'm not going to say anything, but I know if it was IFC or PHC doing that, there'd be repurcussions. "

Okay...thats not entirely true dude. Yeah at my school if you're NPC or IFC you can get away with pretty much anything. My sorority is being watched like a hawk for one false move so we can be thrown off campus and we actually almost were. So no, thats not the case everywhere. Its actually the opposite here at my school. If you're not IFC or NPC the school doesn't care.

A frat and sorority had a wet party on our dry campus. This was brought to the attention of the necessary powers and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING was done. They were talked to and that was it. Now, if it were my sorority, I'd be expelled and my sorority would only be a memory as that is the consiquence (sp) of having alcohol at an on campus event, especially if there are under ageds drinking.

[seheart]

Personally, if orgs choose to seperate themselves into other councils and ethnic founded orgs, then they segregate themselves further. I am a member of a multiculturally founded org, but part of IFC. We ran with the big dogs and it has helped us grow and helped our publicity.

I'm not knocking smaller, ethnic orgs, but wouldn't you want to be held at the same standard as the proven and powerhouses? How can you grow and hold yourself as a professional, productive, growing and active org if you just segregate yourself to one corner?

Thoughts?

[Private I]

My organization is one of several (6 plus 1 associate member) organizations that make up the Multicultural Greek Council at Florida State University.

If you saw a list of all the events we have hosted on and off campus for students and the community alike, I highly doubt you could say we don't constitute a 'powerhouse.'

[seheart]

Thats great, however the only thing I see on my campus is party flyers and emails. Other than that, I don't hear anything from the ethnically based orgs.

[Private I]

The national boards of the majority of these organizations tend to have requirements concerning a certain amount of educational events as well as hours of community service, in order to be in good standing.
There tend to be a lot of party flyers because they usually play a large part of how org.'s fundraise and are able to survive financially.

[OPhiARen3]

Originally posted by FuzzieAlum

What about groups like Theta Nu Xi? NPHC is (I believe) opposed to them being a member of local PHCs, and because of their rush structure they won't join Panhel.

I'm just curious, maybe someone can answer this for me - why would NPHC be opposed to Theta Nu Xi being a member of local PHCs? I mean, what difference would it make to them?

[TheEpitome1920]

Originally posted by OPhiARen3
I'm just curious, maybe someone can answer this for me - why would NPHC be opposed to Theta Nu Xi being a member of local PHCs? I mean, what difference would it make to them?

Thanks. I was wondering the same thing.

[TheEpitome1920]

Originally posted by seheart


I'm not knocking smaller, ethnic orgs, but wouldn't you want to be held at the same standard as the proven and powerhouses? How can you grow and hold yourself as a professional, productive, growing and active org if you just segregate yourself to one corner?

Thoughts?

At my alma mater our Multicultural Greek Council was the largest council on campus. We had more chapters than IFC and PHC combined. Don't be quick to assume that culturally based organizations are smaller and are minor players on campuses.

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by OPhiARen3
I'm just curious, maybe someone can answer this for me - why would NPHC be opposed to Theta Nu Xi being a member of local PHCs? I mean, what difference would it make to them?

This is on the NPHC website:
Due to issues of liability, local organizations other than nationally affiliated organizations of NPHC, Inc. are strictly prohibited to sit on a local graduate or undergraduate council. If a council and/or college or university allows this violation that entity assume sole liability.

From the NPHC constitution:
Article IV-Membership
Section 1.
Affiliate membership in NPHC shall include Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc., Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc., Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc., Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc., Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc., Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc., Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Inc., Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc., Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc., and other affiliate organization of the NPHC as may, from time to time, be granted membership. No other organization shall have the right to sit on, or have a voice in, a local undergraduate or alumni council of NPHC, and may not be considered for membership on the local level. Affiliate membership shall also include local undergraduate and alumni councils chartered by the NPHC.



So it looks like NPHC rules prohibit TNX from being on a local NPHC, whether those members want them or not.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
This is on the NPHC website:
Due to issues of liability, local organizations other than nationally affiliated organizations of NPHC, Inc. are strictly prohibited to sit on a local graduate or undergraduate council. If a council and/or college or university allows this violation that entity assume sole liability.

From the NPHC constitution:
Article IV-Membership
Section 1.
Affiliate membership in NPHC shall include Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc., Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc., Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc., Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc., Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc., Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc., Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Inc., Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc., Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc., and other affiliate organization of the NPHC as may, from time to time, be granted membership. No other organization shall have the right to sit on, or have a voice in, a local undergraduate or alumni council of NPHC, and may not be considered for membership on the local level. Affiliate membership shall also include local undergraduate and alumni councils chartered by the NPHC.



So it looks like NPHC rules prohibit TNX from being on a local NPHC, whether those members want them or not.

This is kinda what I thought so it's nice to know it's an actual rule.

[gwen1982]

Here's a thought that came about only because I'm an advisor on a campus with 16 sororities and 14 fraternities. There is one all-encompassing Greek Senate for all GLOs. There are sororities that are members of NPC, NPHC and NAFLO as well as a number of locals. There has been some discussion among the advisors of trying to organize the sororities into a group. Sororities and fraternities may have a number of the same issues, but they also have different issues.

The idea behind having the women have a council on their own is to address the different issues (such as domestic violence and sexual assault - not to say that the issues may not be of interest to the men, but they may be of more interest to the women). Having such a council is not to replace a ruling group, which would continue to be the Greek Senate. It would assist the women with such thing as avoiding scheduling conflicts during recruitment. As recruitment is fairly informal at all times on this campus because of the diverse member groups, no one wants to step on anyone else's toes. Most of the time, you find out that happens after the fact. It would also help the women bond a bit better, we think, having a general council of their own.

Again, it is not meant to be a ruling body, but a place where the sorority members can exchange ideas, network, and learn together as women.

[AGPhiBete]

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It's not fair that some Asian frat breaks one of their pledges' legs and it's fine, but if a real fraternity just makes their pledges do push ups in front of their house, they go up for expulsion.[/B]

Maybe It's just me, but I'm a little offended by the use of the terms 'REAL GLO's' and 'REAL FRATERNITY'.....our organizations are just as 'REAL' as any other GLO.... different, yes, but still REAL

Granted I'm in an entirely different situation than most ouf you (in the sense that we are a non-collegiate sorority), but that does still offend me