Probates!

preciousjeni · #1 06-03-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

We really need to cut the crap and be real. The reasons why orgs imitate NPHC traditions has nothing to do with showing respect or paying homage and contrary to what people try to convince themselves of, imitation is NOT the sincerest form of flattery. It's okay to "borrow" a little but make it your own and create your own traditions. Let's call it what it is.

I was referring to why probate videos tend not to show up on youtube.

BluPhire · #2 06-03-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I was referring to why probate videos tend not to show up on youtube.

Like I joked on myself about but now must be real serious, you are not gonna see a Probate show online. (Only reason I bring this up is because you responded to my comment about does anybody really "probate" anymore). Not if they don't want it used as evidence against them.

What we call probate shows today are plentiful on youtube. They are really come out shows. I believe it was pointed out in another thread.

My first and only probate show I saw was on my campus when I was a freshman. Only one org was bold and brave enough to do it (and during my freshman year it was only three orgs on campus...the rest were on..."timeout".)

By the time I was ready to pledge, they stopped doing them. Never understood until an old head told me in love, when I thought I was a Super Bad Neo, the deal.

preciousjeni · #3 06-03-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BluPhire

Like I joked on myself about but now must be real serious, you are not gonna see a Probate show online. (Only reason I bring this up is because you responded to my comment about does anybody really "probate" anymore). Not if they don't want it used as evidence against them.

What we call probate shows today are plentiful on youtube. They are really come out shows. I believe it was pointed out in another thread.

My first and only probate show I saw was on my campus when I was a freshman. Only one org was bold and brave enough to do it (and during my freshman year it was only three orgs on campus...the rest were on..."timeout".)

By the time I was ready to pledge, they stopped doing them. Never understood until an old head told me in love, when I thought I was a Super Bad Neo, the deal.

I'm with you except for the underlined sentence. If by "probate" you mean a "show" while you're still pledging, it still happens, and often. Perhaps we're talking about different things now.

To me, a literal probate is what people now call a surfacing. And, what we refer to as probates now are coming out shows.

I don't like the idea of surfacing because it does little more than give you the impetus to continue pledging right before things get really bad.

BluPhire · #4 06-03-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I'm with you except for the underlined sentence. If by "probate" you mean a "show" while you're still pledging, it still happens, and often. Perhaps we're talking about different things now.

To me, a literal probate is what people now call a surfacing. And, what we refer to as probates now are coming out shows.

I don't like the idea of surfacing because it does little more than give you the impetus to continue pledging right before things get really bad.

Yep what you call surfacing was once called probate.

And yes I can believe some people still do it. Does not take away from the fact that not posting doesn't for the most part have anything to do with respect, but because of the broad definition of hazing as adopted by the NPHC, if anything were to happen between surfacing/probate show and from when Grad Chapter/regionals/nationals receives said information that the people participating are members of the organization...it is evidence if something happens between that time.

rhoyaltempest · #5 06-03-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I'm with you except for the underlined sentence. If by "probate" you mean a "show" while you're still pledging, it still happens, and often. Perhaps we're talking about different things now.

To me, a literal probate is what people now call a surfacing. And, what we refer to as probates now are coming out shows.

I don't like the idea of surfacing because it does little more than give you the impetus to continue pledging right before things get really bad.

You might want to speak for yourself and perhaps where you're from. I've been greek over 17 years now (and currently active and working with undergrad members) and this is the first I'm hearing of "surfacing," so it's not a universal word, not at all.

Senusret I · #6 06-03-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

You might want to speak for yourself and perhaps where you're from. I've been greek over 17 years now (and currently active and working with undergrad members) and this is the first I'm hearing of "surfacing," so it's not a universal word, not at all.

That you haven't heard of it doesn't make it a unicorn.

preciousjeni · #7 06-03-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

You might want to speak for yourself and perhaps where you're from. I've been greek over 17 years now (and currently active and working with undergrad members) and this is the first I'm hearing of "surfacing," so it's not a universal word, not at all.

Only four years longer than I've been Greek. I've been talking about non-NPHCs in this thread as I would not want to insinuate that NPHC orgs pledge.

rhoyaltempest · #8 06-03-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BluPhire

Like I joked on myself about but now must be real serious, you are not gonna see a Probate show online. (Only reason I bring this up is because you responded to my comment about does anybody really "probate" anymore). Not if they don't want it used as evidence against them.

What we call probate shows today are plentiful on youtube. They are really come out shows. I believe it was pointed out in another thread.

My first and only probate show I saw was on my campus when I was a freshman. Only one org was bold and brave enough to do it (and during my freshman year it was only three orgs on campus...the rest were on..."timeout".)

By the time I was ready to pledge, they stopped doing them. Never understood until an old head told me in love, when I thought I was a Super Bad Neo, the deal.

Although some of what you see online these days aren't true coming out shows either. Fools.

BluPhire · #9 06-03-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

Although some of what you see online these days aren't true coming out shows either. Fools.

Oh Lord.

If I didn't know you been in the game 17 plus years, that comment proves it.

LOL

rhoyaltempest · #10 06-03-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BluPhire

Oh Lord.

If I didn't know you been in the game 17 plus years, that comment proves it.

LOL

Wow. Is my age showing? LOL.

christiangirl · #11 06-04-2010, 01:41 AM

Wow, I never knew the terms meant anything different at all. Thanks!

Senusret I · #12 06-04-2010, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl

Wow, I never knew the terms meant anything different at all. Thanks!

They don't anymore. Colloquially, it's been twenty years since true probates have been banned, but we're still using the term, so yeah..... in 2010, it's a probate.

DrPhil · #13 06-04-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

They don't anymore. Colloquially, it's been twenty years since true probates have been banned, but we're still using the term, so yeah..... in 2010, it's a probate.

You're so "it is what it is." There's a reason why the word is still being used and it isn't because most post-1990 members don't know the difference. Afterall, older members were/are still around.

As for what's in the youtube videos, as I said before, only those who know, know whether the people in the videos have actually "crossed." Generally speaking, those are "coming out shows" on youtube. But, I say that out of generalized assumption and habit because I don't know 95% of the (usually younger membered) chapters who care enough to put videos on youtube. So, I don't know whether all were initiated at the time of the show or whether some were to be initiated right after the show. The same goes for "coming out shows" that aren't on youtube.

rhoyaltempest · #14 06-04-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

You're so "it is what it is." There's a reason why the word is still being used and it isn't because most post-1990 members don't know the difference. Afterall, older members were/are still around.

As for what's in the youtube videos, as I said before, only those who know, know whether the people in the videos have actually "crossed." Generally speaking, those are "coming out shows" on youtube. But, I say that out of generalized assumption and habit because I don't know 95% of the (usually younger membered) chapters who care enough to put videos on youtube. So, I don't know whether all were initiated at the time of the show or whether some were to be initiated right after the show. The same goes for "coming out shows" that aren't on youtube.

I think this is an accurate general assumption since most would not dare put a true probate online and if you read the comments of most videos, you can tell that members have "crossed."

rhoyaltempest · #15 06-04-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

They don't anymore. Colloquially, it's been twenty years since true probates have been banned, but we're still using the term, so yeah..... in 2010, it's a probate.

Since there is a distinct difference between a probate and a coming out show, and many undergrads do know the difference, the two terms continue to exist currently and not everyone uses them interchangeably.