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Old 06-01-2010, 04:24 PM
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A thief? Nah. You're someone the bank took a bet on. The bank lost the bet. Especially when homes are irreversibly upside down, I fully support not paying. Banks do that as a matter of course with even less recourse taken against them than regular Joes like you or I suffer.

Banks should be more careful as to how much they'll loan on a piece of property. They should be more careful about who they loan to as well. To make this as simple as you try to fails to understand the totality of the circumstances.
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Old 06-01-2010, 04:25 PM
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A thief? Nah. You're someone the bank took a bet on. The bank lost the bet. Especially when homes are irreversibly upside down, I fully support not paying. Banks do that as a matter of course with even less recourse taken against them than regular Joes like you or I suffer.

Banks should be more careful as to how much they'll loan on a piece of property. They should be more careful about who they loan to as well. To make this as simple as you try to fails to understand the totality of the circumstances.
Co-sign.

ETA: I was happy to see the bolded coming from you.
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Old 06-01-2010, 04:32 PM
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First off, Outback is not an upscale steakhouse.

Secondly, I read that article this morning. While it annoyed me that these people were so brazen about it, it's not a new thing. As the article points out, in Florida it can take a year and a half ON AVERAGE from the time foreclosure proceedings start until the actual notice of eviction is granted. Many people will take advantage of that time to save, knowing that they can't get the house back by making those payments. There's also a lower chance that they'll trash the house upon departure, unlike people in states with faster foreclosure clocks.

I agree with Kevin. It was a bad bet that no one in their right mind would have taken. But, these "bankers," who usually had little experience in financial services, were focused on selling the houses. After a few months, mortgages tend to be sold and repackaged--meaning the original bank has no stake in what happens to the house. 2000-2007 was the Wild West as far as financial services were concerned. I remember being a college student, being offered credit cards with $45,000 limits! It was easy for the banks to offer those amounts and not worry if I defaulted.

The reader comments on the original article are great.

I was much more offended by the article in the Times last week about the mother and daughter who were stunned to realize that they had borrowed $100,000 for the daughter to get her BA in Religion and Women's Studies from NYU. They wanted to know why someone didn't stop them from doing it. WTF?!

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Old 06-01-2010, 05:21 PM
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First off, Outback is not an upscale steakhouse.

I was much more offended by the article in the Times last week about the mother and daughter who were stunned to realize that they had borrowed $100,000 for the daughter to get her BA in Religion and Women's Studies from NYU. They wanted to know why someone didn't stop them from doing it. WTF?!
Outback is too expensive for the quality of food it provides though.

Student loans add up, I don't like how many I have right now myself, but I knew what I was doing. It's not like you don't get statements throughout letting you know if you have interest (or not) and that payment is not currently due.

I wouldn't make defaulting my first choice, but I'd get over my guilt about it if I truly couldn't afford it. Considering how few banks have followed through with the restructuring of mortgages, I'd rather try to save up money for deposit/rent rather then attempting to pay something I already cannot afford.
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Old 06-01-2010, 05:31 PM
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Outback is too expensive for the quality of food it provides though.

Student loans add up, I don't like how many I have right now myself, but I knew what I was doing. It's not like you don't get statements throughout letting you know if you have interest (or not) and that payment is not currently due.

I wouldn't make defaulting my first choice, but I'd get over my guilt about it if I truly couldn't afford it. Considering how few banks have followed through with the restructuring of mortgages, I'd rather try to save up money for deposit/rent rather then attempting to pay something I already cannot afford.
Just because it's overpriced doesn't make it upscale.

Yeah, student loans add up, but you get regular updates--either monthly or quarterly--while you're in school.

Saving for deposit/rent makes much more sense, considering that these people would probably have to make a larger than normal security deposit so soon after a foreclosure. I know my building requires a 750 credit score for renters; anything less you have to pay an additional month's security deposit.
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